I think they’ve proved the opposite.

Our wide body flying is way more seasonal than the other guys, look for us to jv our most wide body flying in the future to BA, qantas and China southern. Our management has failed us and we may not be able to recover. We can’t make money in Asia, don’t go to Africa at all, Israel, etc. What a shame for “the world’s largest airline.” I hope I’m wrong, but our product is complete **** right now.


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there are enough 787s on order to replace every 767 and a330-300 and still replace about 15 772s, assuming a 1 for 1 swap. it has been interesting they were leaving ORD-Asia but i would guess they are gonna put the planes where they make money. the a321s are replacing 757s not 767s

ORD-ASIA will return.

i hope so. seems like it was a temporary withdrawal due to being able to make more money with those planes elsewhere

20% of the flying on the DFW 787 is domestic, think about that. As more 787 come online, I think you will see more and more of them doing high load, and seasonal, domestic flying. It is so efficient that using it on some routes over the 321 might be advantageous considering CASM vs RASM.

Why the company is pulling down high load routes, like PHX-DFW is mind boggling. They went from almost all 321’s (with a segment or 2 using CRJ’s in peak time..ex.510am departure (321), 540am (CRJ)) with a minimum of 187 seats, to 321’s mixed in with 150 seat planes like the 737 and 320, but also have the 757 from time to time. The loads are outrageous on those flights at almost all times of the day, everyday. They could easily fill a 321nx on that route almost everyday, and I bet one 787-8 mixed in would probably almost fill up too.

Maybe it’s full cause of training, but damn, I just did it today on a 320 and the list was unreal, even with revenue oversold. No weather/delays in sight at either location. Just too small of equipment on that route. I am sure they are doing it in other places, I just see it more often on that leg.

The 787 is not an efficient domestic airplane. IIRC anything under six hours on it and the 767-300 beats it for costs.

That is the reason the '797' is being developed. It's essentially a 787 in size but doesn't have the structure to carry all that fuel so is quite a bit lighter.

Honestly I think they are using it domestically right now because they don't have other routes for it. This China stuff will make it worse if we pull it off those.

My issue with the 787 is that it is very weight restrictive. My wife had twice use other airlines / equipment for international flying.

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Yep!

Heard a rumor the 78 had to be replaced by the 77 out of NZ because of weight issues.