I’m sure anything is better then the 10 years of USAPA and LOA 93 you chose to enjoy. #notwinning

 

Tens years and LOA 93 was at least an accomplishment of East pilot unity. The Westicles wanted to destroy unionism and with APA President Ferguson, you got your wish. Together with the LAMR pilots they make quite the unity couple. And I know you LOVE your contract as well....oh yeah, why this thread was started in the first place. The crappy contract negotiated by the APA in 2013 that stabbed him in the back and now he has to get rescheduled all the time.

 

New hires made $35/hr at LUS, today they make $90-ish? CA pay is more than DOUBLE. I'm not sure what contract you're looking at but total value wise this contract is much better than LUS has seen in almost two decades. New airplanes, lots of movement, and investment into the airline via equipment and passenger amenities such as clubs and food. It's a totally different job.

This place is toxic in part because of how the employees act and behave. A good trip can be made bad by a bad attitude and vice versa.

 

This is a real and curious question:

Is there any idea or talk amongst the pilot group that the flows may be causing a downturn in culture? From the outside a lot, including myself, have wondered about this since there’s no way to filter people out with the flow, and it sounds as if regional interviews these days are an embarrassment.

 

I would say 90% are grateful every single day they show up for work. I fly with w many capts who are former eagle/psa/pdt and we all agree our absolute worst day at AA is with a scientific certitude better than our best at the WO. Gonna miss the 190, awesome crews everyone is cleaning house w 90-150 hours of cred and we are always going out. It’s like it was at the old shop almost every month.

 

The vast majority of poo flinging I've witnessed was East-West and AA-TWA. One could argue if anything the culture needed to change, it was really quite toxic up front. And even more so anti-company...my first check airman's crew brief was "we know the company won't have our back so let's help each other out and get our own".

I mean that was a check airman lol.

 

And how much did that unity cost you? How much did Parker and the Company make on it? How many contract cycles further ahead would the APA be if the Easties had been able to swallow their enormous pride and move on?

Good god some of you guys are dense.

 

We had principle and unity....something I can be proud of and know that is something you guys will never experience and know; yet I see just how desperate many of you want to be proud of something you could call your own. Alas, that will never be...at least for you guys. Dense, huh? Swallow our pride? Again, you got the seniority but YOU NEVER EARNED IT. It galls you deep down and the guy in the video this thread is about is paying the price. How sad.

 

If I remember right, and sadly you are still living in that world, wasn’t it USAPA that was the union buster? I mean LUS was ALPA and so was LAWA, correct? LUS agreed to arbitration for the seniority list, right (under ALPA)? When LUS pilots saw the award, they then forced a new “union” (USAPA) into the merger, by way of purely having more pilots, and then said the arbitrated seniority list didn’t apply cause “USAPA” (the forced by number union) didn’t agree to it, correct? This busted out ALPA forcefully, and allowed Doug and company to extract the worst labor contract in history on LUS and freeze LAWA in a bad, better contract then LUS, right or wrong? It also busted the agreed upon arbitration, and actually busting the completion of a merger, yes or no?

But whatever you say. Sell your crazy somewhere else.....it’s over....get over it or retire. One will happen someday

 

Um, you don't know me, or where I'm coming from. But you're obviously unwilling to answer the questions I posited.

Since drinksonme seems to have a better perspective on history than you do maybe he'll buy you a beer you can cry into.