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Old 03-16-2020, 06:08 AM
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So for the 55 hr guys, is currency going to be maintained in the sim?

Yes, this is great work by everyone involved, but as mentioned above, what happens when they don't get enough takers. I know what I'd do if I were a 62 yo not sure if I wanted to go to 65, but what about everyone else banking on the next guy volunteering for the 55hr deal?
I'm definitely bidding for the 55 month one. I can't imagine who wouldn't.
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:10 AM
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4000 is wayyy too high of an estimate. The company would never offer that many. I doubt they would even offer half that.
Yeah you're right, I really wasn't thinking lol.
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:14 AM
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The reason I asked I heard rumors that not enough pilots took the 50-hour-stay-at-home option.
they haven’t been specifically offered. (Second round)
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:15 AM
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Numbers (cost) are like statistics. You can turn them around as much as you want, usually to management's advantage (bonus). Question here is what kind of deal the airlines can make with the government and banks.
Yep, if they get a lifeline we might be ok. I dunno. Really absolutely no way to tell how this is gonna end up.
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver View Post
So for the 55 hr guys, is currency going to be maintained in the sim?
If you bothered to read the LOA, it clearly answers that question...
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Arado 234 View Post
I am wondering about this, too. Can you call scheduling/flight standards and pick up a trip to maintain currency?
Read the LOA...
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Old 03-16-2020, 06:40 AM
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I am wondering about this, too. Can you call scheduling/flight standards and pick up a trip to maintain currency?
No. Landing sims required, though it would have been smarter to let you pick up one turn every third month than putting additional burden on training.

That being said, if that's the only "slip up" in this product, given the time pressure they were under, it still gets an A+ in my book. Very comprehensive, very well thought out. Definitely a well executed strike while the iron was hot.
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Old 03-16-2020, 07:20 AM
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I think this is good news but worry about the costs the corporation takes on and how it will impact its future. I estimate this will cost about $2b to pay just the retirees assuming 4,000 take it over three years. This is a large cost that won't allow the company to adequately compete against the ULCC's whom I fear will gain a substantial foothold after this. Spirit is by far my largest worry.

I guess what I'm saying is, I worry AA will become what US Airways was...a slowly dying carrier not able to compete due to overburdened costs.

I'm not trying to be negative but I think it's also important to take a bigger picture.
you’ve assumed X amount of pilots take it but haven’t accounted that the company will only offer Y amount of slots.
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Old 03-16-2020, 07:22 AM
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Hopefully it is enough, but the year long LOA suggests that they already know that they'll end up with a group who'll need long term training when they come back. Obviously they want to pick some off the top of the list to minimize multiple layers of displacements. Still, it feels like only the first step in an overall reduction...
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The reason I asked I heard rumors that not enough pilots took the 50-hour-stay-at-home option.
The initial 50 hour option went pretty senior at United. They came out a day or two ago saying that more unpaid leaves and 50 hr lines would be offered for April. Now that we’ve announced a 50% reduction, it’s anyone’s guess as to what happens next.
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