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Flying101 05-16-2020 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3057217)
7000 overstaffed for fall 2020 yes, but this bid is based on 2022. 2000 displacements on the bid that just came out. We’re projected to have 10-11k pilots in the future, early retirement package to come soon to help mitigate furloughs.

As far as delta goes we have 40,000 employees who are on unpaid leave, and 14 billion cash on hand, we’re in pretty good shape.

I was referring to the letter you receive from John Laughter a few days back. Who said Delta is in bad shape? I think it sucks you guys decided to park the 777

Gone Flying 05-16-2020 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3056908)
the weird thing is we aren’t that different. We just bled a lot of the top while everyone else is looking at just hacking off the bottom of their list. Add to the fact that delta was almost the same size pilot group with a hundred less airframes and we aren’t too different.

cant find numbers now but pre covid I thought DL had about 20-40 less mainline planes than AA. DL had like 920 ish IIRC ( we parked about 60 MD88/90s since). the big difference was RJs, DL is capped at 450 whereas AA has around 600

hvydvr 05-16-2020 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 3056773)
As per their SVP... 7000 overstaffed for fall of 2020.. 2500-3500 come Q3 2021

The Fall 2020 number is just a snap at the end of the CARES Act protection. As others have alluded to, the Delta AE manning for the network outlook that was released a couple of day ago to run through May 2021 appears to be a 2000ish furlough with no mitigating factors whatsoever. The hostages have been identified. Management will be by with their demands shortly....

Flying101 05-17-2020 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by hvydvr (Post 3057393)
The Fall 2020 number is just a snap at the end of the CARES Act protection. As others have alluded to, the Delta AE manning for the network outlook that was released a couple of day ago to run through May 2021 appears to be a 2000ish furlough with no mitigating factors whatsoever. The hostages have been identified. Management will be by with their demands shortly....

Makes sense, thanks man. Have a few buddies in that 2000 range..

shoelsch 05-17-2020 09:26 AM

Hey dog poo, I’ve been at AA for 6+ years. I am prepared for and may get furloughed. Are you happy now?

Downtime 05-17-2020 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by shoelsch (Post 3058153)
Hey dog poo, I’ve been at AA for 6+ years. I am prepared for and may get furloughed. Are you happy now?

I am just curious how you think you are going to get furloughed without things getting far worse then projected? Not trolling just curios based on the bid I am in the first two hundred to go based on the last bid. I have been here a a year and half and have 1180 active pilots below me.

Covfefe 05-17-2020 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3058296)
I am just curious how you think you are going to get furloughed without things getting far worse then projected? Not trolling just curios based on the bid I am in the first two hundred to go based on the last bid. I have been here a a year and half and have 1180 active pilots below me.

If demand just doesn’t come back or the virus really takes off again next flu season, I see big numbers like that bring a possibility. But I don’t think either of those things will happen. Best case, we have no furloughs. Worst “likely” case, I’d say no more than 2000. Just a non-drama induced guess.

Happyflyer 05-17-2020 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Downtime (Post 3058296)
I am just curious how you think you are going to get furloughed without things getting far worse then projected? Not trolling just curios based on the bid I am in the first two hundred to go based on the last bid. I have been here a a year and half and have 1180 active pilots below me.

Because things have to get so much better than the status quo right now.

Throw in an election, where Senate control is up for graps as well as White House.

It's not like the economy is stuck at a red light that won't turn green until October, but will definitely turn green.

IMO stock market hasent yet baked in pricing from massive 401k contribution reductions. The current 30M on unemplouement are probably the smallest percentage of 401k savers pumping money in every month.

Politicians now don't want to open up. Did we fatten the curve? Have hospitals been over run and we need makeshift hospitals in high school gyms?

We're currently moving the goal post instead of
claiming victory, now we need 0 new transmissions in a country of 300m to claim victory.

Eventually the CDC will need to "bless" recreational travel, and no one as determined what criteria will be met for that. Why would public sector want to stick its neck out for private sector.

Will Dr. Anthony Fauci ever get on national TV and say it is as safe as it ever was for boomers to get on airplanes.

Downtime 05-17-2020 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by Happyflyer (Post 3058341)
Because things have to get so much better than the status quo right now.

Throw in an election, where Senate control is up for graps as well as White House.

It's not like the economy is stuck at a red light that won't turn green until October, but will definitely turn green.

IMO stock market hasent yet baked in pricing from massive 401k contribution reductions. The current 30M on unemplouement are probably the smallest percentage of 401k savers pumping money in every month.

Politicians now don't want to open up. Did we fatten the curve? Have hospitals been over run and we need makeshift hospitals in high school gyms?

We're currently moving the goal post instead of
claiming victory, now we need 0 new transmissions in a country of 300m to claim victory.

Eventually the CDC will need to "bless" recreational travel, and no one as determined what criteria will be met for that. Why would public sector want to stick its neck out for private sector.

Will Dr. Anthony Fauci ever get on national TV and say it is as safe as it ever was for boomers to get on airplanes.

I gotcha. Not that this will make you feel better but if furloughs get to you poo boy is likely correct and AA ceases to exist.


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