Delta Memo
 

Delta buddyy just forwarded me a memo from their S.V.P. Looks like they are 7,000 pilots overstaffed for fall and 2,500-3,500 until 2021 Q3.

Perhaps AA isn’t as bad as others?

I think we fall in that wheelhouse. It was posted it was gonna cost 850 a displacement in training off a DAL 777 so I am guessing the early outs are cheaper. We are looking at 1300 right now plus the 800 early out outs as right around the low end of their number.

Eh, terrible times!

Just be glad we have had some many people that have decided to hang it up. With out that decision we might see a two in front of our furloughs as well.

DL numbers are about 50% of their list.
I suggest AA pilots prepare for that AT BEST
Your company is in debt up to it's eyeballs. It will be the first to file at least Chapter 11 if not 7
The DL memo states they are burning through 50M$ a DAY with mostly old airplanes that are paid for.
How long do you think AA can last with all those new aircraft payments?
I suggest you prepare for a fire sale of bases and your regionals.
If you believe you will survive this unscathed you obviously do not know airline history.
It repeats itself constantly.
Listen to those letters and even the Boeing CEO
Get your financial house in order. Think about how many of you are going to end up in a smaller type in the right seat.
For those that end up on the street. Pilots on the street have very little transferable skills. After this bloodbath, there will be So many pilots on the street most of you will wish you went into a different line of work or had some other skill. It will be years for many to be able to return and many will never return or be called back. This is going to make 911 or 2008 look like a cakewalk.

Untrue on so many levels.

Awwwww, whatsa matter, little guy? Wouldn’t the big airline give you a job?

why are you even on APC. nothing above is helpful or adds value

I have my opinions and leanings in regards to this emotionally charged topic called "COVID" but the above contributes nothing. This issue impacts the entire industry, in some shape or fashion.

rickair7777

It's okay that you live in your own little delusional world. Because, apparently dealing with the truth and reality just seems to be more than you can handle.

Take it from someone who has seen and lived this industry since deregulation began (1978) and Has the job (and will keep it) you will be wishing You had come October 1
Good Luck
I'll be back to tell you, I told you so.

The more people who don’t work here at AA keep coming out of the woodwork to try and throw fear grenades at us, the better I feel. It’s clear that we are in a better position to get through this than Delta and United..and that just burns some people over there. Go attack Southwest too. They’ll come out of this similar to AA, with relatively minimal damage.

nah in other threads he says he has the job all the regional guys dream of but won’t say where. He seems to hate AA for some reason though. Maybe he washed who knows.

lmao that’s a little d having dude


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Lots of trolls and sock puppet accounts over the past few months.

What are you his wife or something? Who cares if he’s not panicking, he’s not rubbing it in anyone’s face. You ever hear the phrase misery loves company?

AA guys, including myself, clearly understand that we could be in for a world of hurt. However right now the company appears to be doing the right things by letting over 800 pilots retire early. We currently have over 5000 pilot on leave. They’re planning to keep offering those as well. So no one is incapable of understanding the seriousness of our situation, some are just trying to stay positive. Btw Boeing CEO needs to worry about getting his own house in order before ever point a finger at anyone.

Gosh I wonder what is like to have THE job. I am also curious what THE job is considering we are basically all in three together at this point.

Industry since 1978... What does that make you? 60+. Shouldn’t you be playing with your grandkids or starting to enjoy retirement? Personally I think you couldn’t or didn’t make it in the industry and now you’re bitter or simply jealous. You’re a keyboard warrior man.. that’s all!

Unless he got hired at a 121 at 22 or below then he should be retired. If he got hired at 20 he would only have two years left. Still what is THE job that I want. Is it like THE Ohio State?

Go easy on him man... it’s bad enough that he’s into his 60s and still has **** to prove to people on the internet.

Hahahah true.

I'm willing to bet it's something like being an accountant, which I did for years, AND hated. He's just angry and bitter he can't be a major airline pilot, I know I was when I left the industry. Those kinds of jobs are often reliable, dependable, and lots of other words that end in able. Absolutely great jobs if you enjoy that kind of thing, I don't.

Welp, pack this thread up, show’s over.

That guy... He has the weakest trolling game i’ve ever seen, and has thrown it out on every single thread. Now we know the reason his kids wanted to move out before they were 18.

20k fas took leave. 6k lines and 1700 rsvs. Still all speculation about our future, but i’m feeling optimistic AA can and will mitigate 1000-1500 furloughs and everyone will still have the pleasure of RO until 2023. Every DCA capt has been wonderful to work with, even if/when we get displaced out w reduction in philly. Golf Courses are open in MD, working on my backup plan if I get the letter!

50% on AA DOH 1999😳 time will tell how deep Doug Parker goes, if he even furlough. He said no furloughs, guess AA is immune to this “Artificially Created 9/11”. But why waste an opportunity like this to right size American🤔. Looks like a 1st year FO at Envoy will make more than an AA pilot on furlough. That ain’t right.😡 Scope will take care of the W/O’s.

Why even entertain this troll. It’s clear he has an axe to grind for reasons. The company and the union have told you how deep it could go based a much smaller airline.

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Lol, I'm seeing those little turds too. Shoo fly, shoo!!

Noted. Thanks for your concern.

Thanks Doug, now get back to running the airline!

Envoy and AA both are going to come through this with flying colors.

What package was offered to the F/As?

You amuse me. Your assumptions show just how correct I am about your lack of knowledge in airline history and bankruptcy. The cyclical nature of the business. How easily affected your job is during an economic downturn. Your math assumes I am, and, always have been a pilot. Bob Crandall used to say "Pilots always think they are the smartest people in the room, and they will tell you so" This is why so many of you end up in bankruptcy and divorce. When an old timer is giving you advice, you get on these boards and tell each other how smart you are and how you know how to fix everything. You never learn. Your company is going to use you all as pawns against each other. They did it when you had a "B" scale and you sold out your own. They did it again when they took the USAir pilots and pit you against each other. If you do not look at the downsizing of UAL & DL and assume you are going to be hit just as hard, if not harder given AA financial position you are absolutely unrealistic. If you don't think you and your regionals are going to be pit against each other, no advice can help you. As a suggestion for those that survive this. I suggest you live modestly on about 100 grand a year or less. Make sure if you get married you always have a spouse that has a career of her own so that person can support the family when you 1) go on strike 2) take a pay cut 3) lose that job. Don't ever ever marry a person that works for the same company. If you actually believe that your flying skills are transferable to the outside job market (which is now decimated) at 350K$+ a year, again you need a dose of reality and it is surely coming.


"If the pilots were in charge, Columbus would still be in port. They believe the assertion the world is flat." Bob Crandall

Corporate pilot for Chinese Communist Party? Is that THE job?

Simple question.. Why are you on a pilot forum, ESPECIALLY if you’re not a pilot? I’m pretty sure most of us know exactly how the airline industry works. If you’ve been in this industry for 10-15 years you’ve seen the cycle..you’ve experienced the lows and highs. Perhaps you should take your “wisdom” to a regional forum... most of those pilots have not seen the downside. Give it a break man, you’re 60+ years old and wasting your time on a forum rather then with your family.

Oh don’t worry he does give them the same advice to regional pilots especially AA w/o pilots. He holds a special grudge for AA which tells me he most likely missed his shot at being a pilot and AA had something to do with it. I doubt he does anything in the financial world as he would know not all debt is created equally. He would also. It cling to the corporate balance sheet is the same as personal balance sheet. I also say this because we are gonna be equally smaller to delta and united it is just half of the pilots leaving game off the top instead all of the bottom. He is also a tool bag ranting on the one of the regional forums about kicking all foreign born pilots out their seats while an American is the on street. With no exceptions for people married to Americans who have lived here for decades. In short I get the sense everyone turned him down and now he wants to see us suffer.

The Delta displacement has been posted. There is a net loss of 2000 positions. No idea where you get 7000.

As per their SVP... 7000 overstaffed for fall of 2020.. 2500-3500 come Q3 2021

Aren’t you a regional pilot?

He can’t be a regional pilot he has THE job that everyone wants. I have been a regional pilot and I sure as ******* don’t want to be again.

Wow..imagine a grown man (probably wearing jean shorts and white new balance sneakers) furiously typing away on his phone, trying desperately to start arguments on the internet with anonymous people.

Sad.