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TransWorld 06-11-2021 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot X (Post 3248636)
growth? Haha we can’t even fly the whole schedule now

Not till Sept, when all the requals. are complete. Then everyone will be hiring like crazy.

Tranquility 06-11-2021 04:31 PM

Just so we're clear, hiring people means bankruptcy isn't in the cards??

sanicom3205 06-12-2021 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3248737)
Just so we're clear, hiring people means bankruptcy isn't in the cards??

No, but what do you say about 20b in liquidity ?

Tranquility 06-12-2021 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3249187)
No, but what do you say about 20b in liquidity ?

Pretty damn good, especially when Uncle Sam is picking up a good chunk of your tab. When the gravy train runs out, and actual rubber meets the road (revenues vs. real costs), then we’ll see where we all stand. I suspect Q3/4 of this year that will start, and I wish all of us the best. We really won’t know till Q2/3 2022. I have no beef with AA, I have many friends there. I just don’t trust your management group to not take the easy way out. Arpey didn’t want to, and the board got rid of him. Horton executed the marching orders and was ousted essentially by labor for DUI Doug.... Doug is an idiot, I hope you all have more faith in him than I do. Again, good luck to us all; bankruptcy does nobody any good.

AAL24 06-14-2021 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3249194)
Doug is an idiot, I hope you all have more faith in him than I do.

I don't like the way Doug chooses to run the airline but that is a ridiculous statement. DP went from running a tiny low cost carrier to controlling the largest airline in the world. His total compensation package most likely exceeds any other airline exec for the last decade or so. Ruthless and cunning maybe, but not an idiot.

Mainline Mulier 06-14-2021 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 3249995)
I don't like the way Doug chooses to run the airline but that is a ridiculous statement. DP went from running a tiny low cost carrier to controlling the largest airline in the world. His total compensation package most likely exceeds any other airline exec for the last decade or so. Ruthless and cunning maybe, but not an idiot.

Doug didn’t build AWA. Bill Franke turned it around out of bankruptcy and built it. Doug inherited it and used it to buy UsAir.

Nothing he has done is impressive if you look at it in context.

Dunkin 06-16-2021 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3248182)
The issue there is that the AA fleet buy was earlier model engines. Of AAs 246 A321s only 33 of them are NEOs. Of their 303 737s only 41 are MAXs. That’s going to put them at a 15-20% fuel disadvantage over the newer engine models.

That plus the fact that the used aircraft market has cratered due to the COVID inspired bankruptcy’s and they may well be able to find good deals on late model used aircraft because of that. A lot of aircraft leasing agencies have planes sitting right now painted in colors of airlines that no longer exist. They are happy to get out from under or get someone to take out a new lease. And those same bankruptcy’s have left both Boeing and Airbus with a lot of aircraft already built that they now can’t deliver. These so-called ‘white tails’ are cluttering up their tarmac. And both aircraft manufacturers are getting rid of these at fire sale prices right now. For people with the right financing, it’s actually a pretty good time to buy aircraft.

That’s not to say anything bad about AA management. They couldn’t have predicted COVID.

Delta has been the most profitable airline in the past decade and they’ve done so with more used and fuel inefficient aircraft compared to AA. They are also rumored to be buying more used 737-900s vs a Max order, there’s more to aircraft ownership costs than fuel. If the most profitable “Air Line” prefers used old engine aircraft maybe it isn’t that much of a disadvantage compared to GTF engines?

watch 06-16-2021 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 3250858)
Delta has been the most profitable airline in the past decade and they’ve done so with more used and fuel inefficient aircraft compared to AA. They are also rumored to be buying more used 737-900s vs a Max order, there’s more to aircraft ownership costs than fuel. If the most profitable “Air Line” prefers used old engine aircraft maybe it isn’t that much of a disadvantage compared to GTF engines?

great point

Texasbound 06-16-2021 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 3250858)
Delta has been the most profitable airline in the past decade and they’ve done so with more used and fuel inefficient aircraft compared to AA. They are also rumored to be buying more used 737-900s vs a Max order, there’s more to aircraft ownership costs than fuel. If the most profitable “Air Line” prefers used old engine aircraft maybe it isn’t that much of a disadvantage compared to GTF engines?

Well, that's not very woke or environmentally friendly. Gretta, is not pleased.

https://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/Get...axsidesize=600

Andy 06-16-2021 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Texasbound (Post 3250896)
Well, that's not very woke or environmentally friendly. Gretta, is not pleased.

https://www.newsmax.com/CMSPages/Get...axsidesize=600

That there is darned funny. And sorely needed on this thread.


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