I have five green trips…but they are all one day trips…crappy one day trips but they pay 6:30 or better. First green trips I’ve seen in a long time. First time flying 1 days too. YMMV

N4TL is an option when you select HISEQ to see what trips TTOT will let you trade your current trips with...Trade-able Legal...the other option is N4T which will show you all the trips you could trade your current trip with but does not filter for legality

That's not uncommon at all...Almost every month in most categories 1day trips will turn Green at some point...The problem the last few months is all the open time out there is designated as Red while most peoples current trips are Redder, thus not allowing any trades with open time...and we are not talking trading a 5day to a 2day straight up here either, it won't even let you trade a 3day for another 3day on a different set of days...its pretty bad...I have had some success, thanks LS, but other than that crickets.

Vasu is a revenue guy, it stands to reason more pilots and planes always generate more revenue than fewer pilot and planes.

Vasu’s department isn’t obligated to concern themselves with overhead.

Interchanging “the company” with revenue mgmt department oversimplifies the difference between revenue and profit.

Saying they shouldn’t have furloughed is either just a desire, Monday morning quarter back, or saying they should have known exactly when this thing would be over.

Right now its good info, they have booked more work than what the pilot group can handle, maybe even with the furloughs back.

I did provide an explanation, down to the most simple form. My comment obviously rubbed you the wrong way, so you are obviously cognizant that what I said holds water.

Even if you give the company a pass just because his title is chief revenue officer, why did we generate less revenue despite flying more than DAL and UAL prior to the pandemic? I bet the same is true for after the pandemic. What’s the excuse there?

Do you think that Vasu and his team operate in a vacuum? More pilots and more planes means more revenue, so you think they will always argue to grow the company even when it doesn’t make sense to do so? Extremely myopic viewpoints are acceptable just because of what someone’s job title is?

Why did DAL and UAL not furlough, while we did? Almost seems like they were smart enough to see the potential in a recovery to me. You can defend it all until the cows come home, doesn’t change the fact that we took a different course than everyone else and are paying the price for it. Enraging passengers is not good for business, and neither is making the news for cancelling flights due to staffing after begging for government assistance to keep staff on property. How is that something anyone can argue about?

Thats pretty much every month in my bid status. Anyone want some sweet all night turns to Latin America? I can hook you up.

Along those lines, after my flight late last night (about 10:30 PM), I was walking through the terminal at LAX and saw a massive line of passengers waiting at the service center for two agents to rebook them. Probably 150 people in that line. The people near the back of that line were going to be there for probably well over an hour. :(

2019 revenue
Delta was 47B
AA was 45B
United was 43B

My take was the Max was down, the mechanics were doing their work slow down, and they were retiring the MD-80s, and Delta has JV revenue that is larger than AA’s.

Delta did furlough, I believe over 1,000 received no award on a displacement notice; their union negotiated 35 hours at 717 FO pay. The cares act bumped them up to full time pay. They were not qualified on any Delta equipment.

Vasu doesn’t operate in a vacuum, CASM includes the relevant cost for him to use. His department doesn’t produce a ROI for furloughs for the various labor groups. If anything the APA is responsible for ensuring that furloughs are costly tilting any ROI spreadsheet in their favor.

IF United didn’t furlough its because their contract, ratio of domestic/international titled the ROI of a furlough in the pilots favor. Has little bearing on Kirby's foresight vs Parker on when this would end.

AA parked 4 fleet types, and claims they knocked 1B in overhead off of 2019 volume.

I don’t have any numbers yet but I believe the June cancels are due to AA scheduling more block hours than Delta or United.

I highly doubt Delta or United could park 4 fleets and only suffer 3% capacity for 30-60 days.

I think both company’s are internally upset they didn’t schedule more blocks hours for June, and have already started “missing out”.

Its clear that the path this company is on is satisfactory for you, and that’s okay. We’ll leave it as a simple disagreement on that.

But delta did not furlough. 35 hours of pay while not working is most certainly not a furlough.

Go back and sit at the kid’s table.

quite an interesting and unique perspective on these pages. I appreciate the opportunity to see a new / different viewpoint.

This is your reply? You should be embarrassed.

AA parked 5 of 9 fleet types.

MD80 (parked shortly before COVID-19)
E190
B757
B767
A330

These amounted to about 10% of the fleet.

In all the COVID-19 impacts, the fleet simplification to two narrow body and two wide body series is often missed.

Standardization of parts, mechanics training, and pilot training should not be underestimated to the operations or the bottom line. This will be a positive impact long after COVID-19 is just a faint memory.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...h=1176de8e4b80

According to the spokesperson quoted in the article, they will be done with training all recalled pilots by the end of June. So what’s happening between July and October, which is when they said they’ll start classes for people with CJOs? Maybe classes will start sooner?

I agree that this should lead to an operational simplification and efficiency. I’m not sure however that this particular management team has what it takes. Even with these simplifications, we’re cancelling hundreds of flights, some of which are due to maintenance and weather events. (IROPS recovery and maintenance should’ve been helped by the streamlining).

With a management team that focuses on operational integrity, AA has the tools to succeed. With a management team that spends all their time focusing on woke emails and endeavors, plus cutting resources like gate agents per flight, no amount of efficiency can help.

Every airline does what you guys complain about. It’s a Facebook profile picture logo, or Instagram, or an email. Why do you guys let it bother you? It’s not the cause of the massive issues at this airline, or even a factor. Its literally a non factor. I bet those emails are written by people you’ve never heard of, sent on doug or chip’s account. They also sent emails praising the last president and his administration. Whatever!

I do care about the fact that they make awful operational decisions on a consistent basis, and we pay a price for it.

I disagree. I think its valuable time and resources being taken away from what should be front and center everyday, the operation. Time we as employees spend on these distance learning modules and in person classes could be oriented around customer service (FAs, gate agents etc) and other operational priorities.

I tell you one thing, if we ran a great operation and our customer satisfaction surveys were at an all times high, I wouldn’t care about these woke activities. However seeing what’s happening around here, and how management chooses to run the operation, Well they’re spending their energy in all the wrong areas. Take care of the Airline.

What you are complaining about was part of the settlement with the NAACP to get AA off of their travel warning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

I was just commenting on the flight cancelation news cycle. Canceling for too much work, is better than not having enough work.

I guess we have already taken for granite that the Cares3 money runs out in September and there will be enough work to keep things going without Cares4.

I am not drinking the KoolAid and Doug has gotten complacent over the last 5 years. He’s capable of leading this company just like the gate agents are capable of being nice and polite.

What nobody has mentioned yet is the competitive angle of just getting the job versus getting to the highest-paying level of the job.

Someone coming out of school with an engineering or medical degree can get their first job quite easily, but they must spend their whole career working harder than everyone else if they want to be promoted to the highest paid levels of their chosen field. There will be competition for EVERY raise and promotion. You might be great friends with the ten other guys you were hired with, but only one of you will get the manager position.

You can never take a break because with that increased pay comes the expectation of increased value. They got that job real easy in their twenties, but they are still grinding into their forties and fifties because the new kids coming out of college have no families or hobbies and they are ready to work harder and for way less money.

When the company needs to shed some payroll, it’s the senior guys in the crosshairs. They better hope all that extra effort is still valuable to the folks in HR, otherwise that big paycheck is low hanging fruit in a downturn.

At the airlines, you have to be more competitive than all the other guys exactly once... on interview day. From that point out, your seniority number is yours. Your base, equipment, and seat are whatever you can hold. You don’t need to schmooze the boss or get extra Masters Degrees or work weekends to get the next promotion.

As long as the company doesn’t fold in a downturn, you can count the pilots below you on the list and know if you’re getting the axe. You don’t need to work on your days off or throw your coworkers under the bus to survive job cuts.

At the airlines, you don’t need to achieve more than the ten guys you were hired with. You all upgrade together (if you want).

I like not having to weasel and sweat my way to job security; I’ve been there and that’s way too much stress. But place whatever value you want on that life stress.

except one fairly valuable point that you’re missing. You just ****ed off a bunch of passengers for cancelling that will probably avoid flying AA again.

Yes, almost all airlines overbook. AA seems to be the worst for it.

Until AA is a dollar cheaper. Stats don’t lie. Also I believe jet blue doesn’t overbook, or at least didnt used to

It all comes down to the fact that they run this place based off nothing but numbers. “We can save x million a year by only having one agent per flight!”. They never ask themselves if it actually makes sense, but it looks good on paper. They’d “metric” themself out of business if they could.

yes they’ll book away to SWA who has been cancelling twice as many flights as AA for over a week now.

Apparently UAL and DAL have had one gate agent for years. Not excusing AAL management’s incompetence, nor necessarily disagreeing with you, just saying there is a precedent. The root cause of AAL’s issues is entirely on incompetent management. New management would turn things around quickly- just look at UAL pre and post-Smisek, NW/DAL pre and post-Anderson, etc.

Yeah, a focus on customer service would go a long way.

The numbers look pretty similar for June.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sout...ry?id=78629900

Yesterday’s cancellation AA=50, SWA=180. Been trending that was for over a week, like I said.

Makes a difference if the one agent wasn't a legacy US/AA hAAte agent.

Just like you say. UAL sucked before, so did Delta. New management changed that quick.

Middle management at AA is predominantly still legacy AA. They are the backbone of the suckiness. Clipboards and vests? Yup

Maybe I’ve just been lucky, but I’ve been seeing a lot less of this. Observing customer/gate agent interactions, as well as my own, they’re usually pretty pleasant. Maybe just my experience.

Its everywhere. Back in the day, Delta had “APU Sherriffs” who were retired guys who just had to find something else to do, so they’d confront crews on APU usage.

My point is it’s legacy AA middle management that is the issue. Nothings changed since 1999.

Reminds me of a non rev I took on a Delta 737, will never forget it. It was so damn hot inside that thing sitting at the gate that people were taking off layers and still wiping the sweat from their heads. After a while I thought the APU must be out since it's so hot, uncomfortably so, that there's no way they'd choose to leave it off. Well about 5 minutes before push here comes the APU. You m..... f......ers could have been running the AC this whole time???

Seems like we’re canceling a huge number of flights yesterday and today. Anyone have the skinny on what’s going on? And god I really hope the answer isn’t simply a thunderstorm in DFW. 500+ flights canceled yesterday. Working on close to the same today.

There was a TSRA that sat over the field in MIA for close to an hour yesterday. That probably didn’t help.

Power outage at the fuel farm in DFW meant that no airplanes could refuel for a few hours. Also, with the new system for scheduling rampers in DFW, many are calling in sick (in large groups) which means it can take 2+ hours to get the bags off of an airplane once it lands. Rampers are having to work twice as hard for the same pay. Not going to happen.

Management is running the pilot and FA schedules pretty tight at AA. Building schedules with duty hours and block hours right up against the limits. With any sort of delay, the crews time out.

This is 100% the "cost savings" attempts by AA management that are failing miserably. It might look good on paper, but it isn't going to work in the real world.

Short on rampers, gate agents, crew meals, hotel rooms, FAs, pilots, etc. Throw some weather in the mix and the operation implodes.

Wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Parker laid out the goal of running the best operation ever this summer?

he must have wrote that plan while he was riding in the back on a flight from PHX-DFW last week with no APU...its a true story and was posted by the local DFW reps, unbelievable till I read it.