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sanicom3205 12-15-2021 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3336384)
How about you? If all pilots resigned, we'd have massive leverage! How about my downbid scheme?

Amazing how pilots are so knowledgable of other's situation and so eager for them to do the lifting.

To be fair, the “lifting” here is just staying a line pilot and not taking a job that is worse for 75% of people. I appreciate there are good CKA like you around, but so does the company. It’s leverage and taking that job now is putting yourself above the collective mission. Asking you to resign is insane though

R57 relay 12-15-2021 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by sanicom3205 (Post 3336386)
To be fair, the “lifting” here is just staying a line pilot and not taking a job that is worse for 75% of people. I appreciate there are good CKA like you around, but so does the company. It’s leverage and taking that job now is putting yourself above the collective mission. Asking you to resign is insane though


I agree, but I don't think it's worse for 75% of the ones taking it. And, as I said above, many have been in the pipeline for a while, long before perceived leverage came about. I hate to see them denigrated.

I don't think there is as much leverage as some do. We'll see. The 1/22 pay buckets will be out soon and it may push more to quit. Many don't understand how the SLI G4 dispute changed things.

ACEssXfer 12-15-2021 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 3336374)
If you have to ask, you definitely aren’t the kind of person who should apply.

I have around 2k hours as an LCA at a previous airline. We got a 25% override and bid our schedules the same way every other line pilot did. But yea, maybe you’re right. Thanks for the sage advice. 😏

LBFO79 12-15-2021 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3336379)
Actually...

For years and years the complaint was average day. CKA get a 5:26 MINIMUM DAY, or the value of the trip, whichever is greater.

I scratched my head when the CKA chair put that out and the DFW reps parroted it.


It's 5:21 per duty period not calendar day. Makes a big difference on lots of trips.

LBFO79 12-15-2021 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3336384)
How about you? If all pilots resigned, we'd have massive leverage! How about my downbid scheme?

Amazing how pilots are so knowledgable of other's situation and so eager for them to do the lifting.

resigning a check airman position to return to line flying, is totally different than quitting your entire job. Why would you even think they are the same?

R57 relay 12-15-2021 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by LBFO79 (Post 3336399)
It's 5:21 per duty period not calendar day. Makes a big difference on lots of trips.


Uh, no. It's a 5:26 MINIMUM DAY. There was some bad info. put out by the APA.

Are you an AA CKA?

R57 relay 12-15-2021 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by LBFO79 (Post 3336400)
resigning a check airman position to return to line flying, is totally different than quitting your entire job. Why would you even think they are the same?


I don't, I'm just looking for the ultimate leverage...by someone else.

How about someone downbidding? That's what I'd be doing by returning to the line. For many it wouldn't be, but they stay for a reason.

flyinawa 12-15-2021 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 3336392)
I have around 2k hours as an LCA at a previous airline. We got a 25% override and bid our schedules the same way every other line pilot did. But yea, maybe you’re right. Thanks for the sage advice. 😏

Ok… you got paid more money than your peers. Must not have been that great a gig if you left. Did you actually like to teach or was a financial win tor you?

ny797 12-15-2021 06:31 PM

Also a LCA at my previous airline. With a 40% override and flying the schedule your seniority can hold, it was a good deal. The idea of doing it because you really enjoy teaching is a joke and just makes you a pawn for the company. There will always be the lean forward types who the company is more then willing to take advantage of though.

nimslow 12-15-2021 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3336460)
Also a LCA at my previous airline. With a 40% override and flying the schedule your seniority can hold, it was a good deal. The idea of doing it because you really enjoy teaching is a joke and just makes you a pawn for the company. There will always be the lean forward types who the company is more then willing to take advantage of though.

I was also an LCA at my previous airline, along with probably 75% or more of our pilots who were prior check airman or instructors/stan eval guys in the military. I came from a "commuter" airline with a training department that was more checking than training. 50% of my new hire class didn't make it through training, and they were proud of that. So I'll argue I absolutely want check airman who really enjoy teaching. They guys who were doing it for the pay were always the forward leaners that shouldn't have been there in the first place.


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