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FriendlyPilot 12-17-2021 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 3334421)
Just read that check airman classes are full at “THE FLIGHT ACADEMY.”

No need to change the LCA pay if they are still getting enough interested candidates.

R57 relay 12-17-2021 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3337570)
No need to change the LCA pay if they are still getting enough interested candidates.

No need to get a new contract if line pilots are happy picking up trips for straight time or even premium.

R57 relay 12-17-2021 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Pilot Deviation (Post 3337536)
The only reward that should matter is what's on your paycheck. All this "I love to help people" is such copium and the paycheck reward isn't there anymore so you really have to start questioning the judgement of anyone who still wants to do that crap job.

Also anyone who still willingly signs up now is the same kind of person that picks up extra flying during a furlough. For once don't be selfish in your careers. Will never get a new contract with management collaborators.

How about pilots that pick up anything now?

"Why do you speak of the speck in my eye..."

Dobbs18 12-17-2021 05:04 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3337572)
No need to get a new contract if line pilots are happy picking up trips for straight time or even premium.

I have a problem with this because I drop as much as I can of my regular awarded PBS line then “pickup” premium or easy a** broken up trips. I end up working less days then I was scheduled and for more pay…so in your opinion this is bad? I am causing the company to have to cover more flying and at a higher cost than if I had just flown my regular line. So how is that helping the company? And I am hardly the only one doing this….

R57 relay 12-17-2021 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Dobbs18 (Post 3337611)
I have a problem with this because I drop as much as I can of my regular awarded PBS line then “pickup” premium or easy a** broken up trips. I end up working less days then I was scheduled and for more pay…so in your opinion this is bad? I am causing the company to have to cover more flying and at a higher cost than if I had just flown my regular line. So how is that helping the company? And I am hardly the only one doing this….


As most pilots have an issue with what they are doing. I'm not saying you are wrong, but most pilots can see what the other is doing wrong and impeding a contract, but not themselves.

I've hear so much BS about my small group(CKA) all I can do is laugh.

ny797 12-17-2021 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 3337642)

I've hear so much BS about my small group(CKA) all I can do is laugh.

I’m all ears and always willing to learn. What have you heard that is BS? FWIW I think the whole “just wanna be a check airman for the name tag” is ridiculous and APC is the only place I’ve heard someone say that.

R57 relay 12-17-2021 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3337664)
I’m all ears and always willing to learn. What have you heard that is BS? FWIW I think the whole “just wanna be a check airman for the name tag” is ridiculous and APC is the only place I’ve heard someone say that.

Until recently many pilots thought CKA were management. Then it was discovered that for many CKA the job just wasn't worth the name tag, and bam! Leverage was perceived. "The Line" also promotes the name tag myth.

Pilots are pilots. They are always willing to justify their actions, while criticizing others. How many are saying that folks shouldn't be taking CKA jobs while they are gobbling up premium trips? Many are hoping that the CKA issues will save the day without them having to do anything. It's not new, I've been watching it for decades.

Route66 12-24-2021 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by ny797 (Post 3337121)
Serious question, has an uncoordinated effort ever been made at any airline even remotely the size of AA to not pick up straight time, let alone premium? I’m no fan of APA but I don’t think this is a Union problem more of a human nature problem. Seems APA’s hands are tied in what they can ask of their pilots so when a situation that can give us a huge amount of leverage arises (like the LCA issue) they have to tread carefully. Personally I would have liked to have seen my email bombarded with that letter detailing the poor working conditions on a daily basis as opposed to bs issues like 5g, etc.

I've always said that, if a company wanted to "break" a strike action, it only takes a small percentage of a labor group to break a strike (CKA, management). Thats the historical aspect. PHI helicopters management did it in 2006, I think. Now PHI is not the size of us, and we don't fly helicopters but, for it's size, the PHI strike was a large strike. Company won. What you discuss is a job action that no union can support without Judicial repercussions. This isn't debate, its the law. APA/ALPA/SWAPA etc. are nothing but a shell of themselves and are dinosaur remnants. You pay something for nothing.

But you did say a human nature problem and to that I agree. Outsiders would call it "supply and demand". However, the Federal government has given employees an order: COVID. You've been exposed (based on your word), you have ANY systems (things that look like cold/flu) call in sick. STAY SAFE!!!

You are following Federal guidelines and not engaging in a job action.

Route66 12-24-2021 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3337231)
Not an APA apologist, but the BoD just rejected a band-aid LOA 20-0. I guess that’s not unity, or something.

Can you cite ways to “jump seniority” at any other airline, whatever that means?

Mostly through a merger like what happened here at AAA/USAIR/AWA. However, being a CKA was, in the older days, a way for junior "worthy" pilots to become a CKA and cherry pick trips for training with senior pay. However, a lot has changed since those days hence the shortage. Just spoke with senior (to me) MIA Captain hired after I was, he pulled in $140,000 in November. He told me and I'm taking his word for it. APA superiority at its finest.

Route66 12-24-2021 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 3341394)
I've always said that, if a company wanted to "break" a strike action, it only takes a small percentage of a labor group to break a strike (CKA, management). Thats the historical aspect. PHI helicopters management did it in 2006, I think. Now PHI is not the size of us, and we don't fly helicopters but, for it's size, the PHI strike was a large strike. Company won. What you discuss is a job action that no union can support without Judicial repercussions. This isn't debate, its the law. APA/ALPA/SWAPA etc. are nothing but a shell of themselves and are dinosaur remnants. You pay something for nothing.

But you did say a human nature problem and to that I agree. Outsiders would call it "supply and demand". However, the Federal government has given employees an order: COVID. You've been exposed (based on your word), you have ANY systems (things that look like cold/flu) call in sick. STAY SAFE!!!

You are following Federal guidelines and not engaging in a job action.

Meant symptoms, not system.....spell check.

DISCLAIMER: I'm NOT advocating to use this forum as a means of job action. But I'm simply saying the Federal guidelines actually leave you little room to go to work but be absolved of liability if you quite possibly could get others sick.


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