It must be fixed. Our trips are beyond terrible and getting worse month after month.

Personally, I prefer regional routes. I love ODANs, too. I’ll be flying those when the company implements them.

Well, I've been here a while and also was junior for a long time. They hired like 300 people the year I was hired. It took me three years just to get reserve at my preferred domicile.

I bid reserve half the year now and swap with OT often, so I know what the crappier trips look like. Due to the short legs, you'll do more of them, that's just a result of taking back the flying, which I assume everyone here wants. But maybe not. Maybe you'd rather be in an RJ doing it?

Just have some perspective is all I'm saying. I'd love everyone have cake trips but some will just be crappier than others, and yes being junior sucks.

​​​​​​ Legs under an hour block, daytime flying 7-5, and most importantly no red eyes. God I hated those. Junior lineholders did 2x 3-day trips a week for 20 hours pay. 10 days off.

On the 80 I routinely had 12-14 leg 4-days worth 18-19 hours too. With a 110° cockpit.

I'm with you brother and even asked that very same question (1:1 RIG) during the last Town Hall. Unfortunately,, the NC Chair answered and said they pretty much turned off any effort for this 1:1 RIG because APA knows what's best for pilots better than the pilot group. They keep saying it would create longer trips but fail to mention - it could eliminate planned 2-4 hour sits in CLT/DFW (that are the primary reason for 11-12hr duty days). I also don't buy APA'a argument that "1:1 RIG will cause you to work more days per month." That's completely baseless. Most of us lineholders credit only 5:15 per day so the number of days to meet the LCW won't change because of the 1:1 RIG.

Louder for the peeps in the back.

Have also sent my sound offs advocating for the same.

I don't think they are saying it will be more days just longer trips. Reference my post about making the regional legs 2 trips. The point about the sits is true too, get rid of those and the days become much more bearable.

A simple analysis of our trip length vs DAL/UAL will prove or disprove their point. I wonder why we haven't seen anything like that?

I don't think you even need to do that. UAL's contract allows NB trips to be 4-days in length, maximum. And they have EDP over 10 hours...so if anything, it seems like EDP eliminates 5-day trips?

From my observation the 5-day trips are flown by people who actually want them. Some are pretty efficient too, like 30+ credit. Is anyone getting these trips on reserve? I never see them in OT.

Rhetorical I know, but for those uninitiated, the APA will never change course for fear of exposing past mistakes.

Just head on over to The Line, every time someone brings up past mistakes there is a cavalry of area-code seniority and retired APA BOD members that come out of the woodwork to keep their version of history alive. Nobody talks about the future.

The sad part is that we have post-merger pilots in the building at APA that have been indoctrinated into that world who are carrying the torch for a generation that's on its way out the door and is hell bent on keeping that same culture of "we know what's best for you" going.

cuz calling out sick for them would explode your sick bank

Statistics I saw had Delta at 3x-4x the number of 5-day trips than us IIRC for example.

But United doesn't even have NB 5-day trip so APA's reasoning is nullified.

Both the NC Chair and my base Vice Chair told me "you will work more days per month with this RIG..." So - proves to all they don't know what they're talking about and just give false assumptions to avoid the subject.

5x day trips at DL are a NWA holdover

OK I have to apologize. United has a screener anyone can view. I randomly chose domiciles and equipment. Yes our trips absolutely blow compared to them.

Does UA not do short block flights or something? I couldn't find anything like that in their schedules.

Perhaps not. They don't have the domestic network that American does, although they have a couple hundred airplanes on order to build one. Maybe once they add Chicago - Des Moines and Houston - Amarillo they will have ****ty 3-2-3 min credit trips?

Can you share the website?

Thanks! :)

If anything I think it shows why comparing our schedules to United is not logical. They've got no flying like we do currently. It's basically akin to the flying we were doing back in the early-mid 2000's to 2010's before they upsized the equipment which incidentally looked a lot like the UA schedules I'm finding. 1-2 legs a day etc.

Reset- Does anyone here know how to use Expanded 3XP to see the lowest seniority line holder in a base?

I'm a reserve 73 FO in PHX and want to see when I could move to CLT as a line holder FO on the 73. I can see the total number and where I fall on that list. Just can't tell where the lineholders start. Thanks guys.

Use APA site. PBS 3XP. Fill in base, equip, seat, and LH.

You can see how trips are too and what guys around you are bidding.

Scroll and enjoy

Yeah this. PBS 3XP can give you a lot of insight into how others bid. For example, at some bases there are a lot of senior people who bid reserve in the shoulder months, etc.

October is the lowest flight time month of the year. That means fewer lines and more reserves. Sometimes the reserve to line holder ratio has dropped from 1:3 (25% reserve coverage) to 1:1 (50/50). In other words you might expect to fly 1/3 as much in October vs the yearly average as a reserve pilot. Bid reserve and hope the phone never rings!

Just curious, what does the seniority calculator have for the approxmiate date of hire junior ORD A320 CA?

Looks like it went to a 7/23 hire for the June vacancy

use the “PBS Award report”. The link is next to the 3xp link. It is a much more useful document…probably the most useful product put out by the APA. Shows days off, trips (with hyperlink to actual full trip HSS), credit, what layer the pilot solved in, coverage days, etc. Lineholders, SCR, LCR, what the reserve pilots bid (must off vs prefer off)

MyFlightCareer.com

…..or use this one which is awesome
and free

https://www.pilotseniority.com

that site has too much info/analysis, it’s nuts

pilots always finds something to complain about….

it’s pretty close but I’m not sure where it’s pulling data from. Must be on effective dates. Shows I can’t hold a status I’m going to, so it’s a little off but overall very close.

I saw what you describe, I believe the main data outside the “preliminary award analysis” is based off the previous final award data - and will likely be updated to the final award here soon.

it shows the most junior person in my bid status is senior to me. Weird. Unless it is using real time/relative seniority numbers.

That is a neat website, I notice that it defaults to 3% growth but is that realistic?

Go to Jetnet - Fleet and look at the delivery schedule. Until those are deferred or they announce schedule reductions it's realistic.

on a 16,000 pilot list that means we’d end the year at 16,480. I guess that conservatively means hiring 1200-1300 ish this year after retirements?

I’d say that since COVID on average the list has been expanding at least that much annually. Hopefully we stay on track.

It's closer to a 15,000 (active) pilot list so 3% is 450 per year. Ergo hiring 1200 with 750 retirements.

Assuming those 750 retirements are all “active” pilots.