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Old 02-20-2023, 07:06 PM
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I keep seeing references to upcoming reserve changes due to RAS being implemented. I honest to goodness work here but I have no idea what those changes are.

Can someone fill me in?
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Old 02-21-2023, 03:21 AM
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Read 15J (Reserve Flying). If you have been a reserve at AA for any time and then read this reserve section of our contract then you will see that most of the rules have not been implemented.
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I keep seeing references to upcoming reserve changes due to RAS being implemented. I honest to goodness work here but I have no idea what those changes are.

Can someone fill me in?
It’s overall not good. In addition to 15.J, read through the Compass Project Reserve Guide, and read between the lines on the stuff that says “when implemented” or “not implemented yet”.

The good news is we’ll most likely get a contract before it’s implemented. Whether the “reserve improvements” mentioned in the Global Framework just released include undoing/preventing the bad parts of RAS or not… we’ll see. Send Sound Offs.
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It’s overall not good. In addition to 15.J, read through the Compass Project Reserve Guide, and read between the lines on the stuff that says “when implemented” or “not implemented yet”.

The good news is we’ll most likely get a contract before it’s implemented. Whether the “reserve improvements” mentioned in the Global Framework just released include undoing/preventing the bad parts of RAS or not… we’ll see. Send Sound Offs.
Like OG adding to GTD?
I’m ready for that.

What’s something bad?
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I have done literally 15 days of reserve since coming to AA and I have been too lazy to learn the reserve rules

thanks for the heads up on where to look
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Like OG adding to GTD?
I’m ready for that.

What’s something bad?
while OG GTD sounds great, it's more than likely crew schedules will use the OG option even less than they do now. They won't want to burn reserve GTD credit on OG flying. The most likely outcome will be that they more often award premium trips to line holders, instead of using reserve pilots who request OG.

Something bad about RAS is how it severely limits proffering abilities for reserve pilots, which many of our reserve pilots on LC like a lot and use to their advantage. Seniority will mean practically nothing, and you will fly more on your last day of reserve too, since that is how the new RAS system
assigns trips(based on work days remaining).

Once RAS is implemented, there will be far less reasons to bid reserve. It will trend much more junior. Considering how high the reserve levels are across all the American Airlines fleets and bases, the crap that is RAS will be the suffering of over 30% of our pilots. Should be fun. I will stop bidding reserve once RAS arrives I know that. Looking forward to the re-assignment circus!
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while OG GTD sounds great, it's more than likely crew schedules will use the OG option even less than they do now. They won't want to burn reserve GTD credit on OG flying. The most likely outcome will be that they more often award premium trips to line holders, instead of using reserve pilots who request OG.

Something bad about RAS is how it severely limits proffering abilities for reserve pilots, which many of our reserve pilots on LC like a lot and use to their advantage. Seniority will mean practically nothing, and you will fly more on your last day of reserve too, since that is how the new RAS system
assigns trips(based on work days remaining).

Once RAS is implemented, there will be far less reasons to bid reserve. It will trend much more junior. Considering how high the reserve levels are across all the American Airlines fleets and bases, the crap that is RAS will be the suffering of over 30% of our pilots. Should be fun. I will stop bidding reserve once RAS arrives I know that. Looking forward to the re-assignment circus!
who the hell agreed to all these changes and rules in the first place? Did APA even look at this stuff before they voted on it during the jcba negotiations?
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Originally Posted by LBFO79 View Post
while OG GTD sounds great, it's more than likely crew schedules will use the OG option even less than they do now. They won't want to burn reserve GTD credit on OG flying. The most likely outcome will be that they more often award premium trips to line holders, instead of using reserve pilots who request OG.

Something bad about RAS is how it severely limits proffering abilities for reserve pilots, which many of our reserve pilots on LC like a lot and use to their advantage. Seniority will mean practically nothing, and you will fly more on your last day of reserve too, since that is how the new RAS system
assigns trips(based on work days remaining).

Once RAS is implemented, there will be far less reasons to bid reserve. It will trend much more junior. Considering how high the reserve levels are across all the American Airlines fleets and bases, the crap that is RAS will be the suffering of over 30% of our pilots. Should be fun. I will stop bidding reserve once RAS arrives I know that. Looking forward to the re-assignment circus!
The Union, much less the company, has put out nothing in terms of RAS dates/timeline. I fully agree, from the little I know, it sounds like poo. Where are you seeing/getting any info on this? I truly am interested as I am one of the said LC proffer bubbas who digs the current setup.
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The Union, much less the company, has put out nothing in terms of RAS dates/timeline. I fully agree, from the little I know, it sounds like poo. Where are you seeing/getting any info on this? I truly am interested as I am one of the said LC proffer bubbas who digs the current setup.
The January 30, 2015 JCBA that we currently operate under. Look at section 15. J then specifically at f. k. i., 3a(2)&(4), 3b…all of it.
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who the hell agreed to all these changes and rules in the first place? Did APA even look at this stuff before they voted on it during the jcba negotiations?
On the APA site go to The Line forums and you can see many posts by the Legacy APA guys responsible.

Many of them are still on there posting frequently, never admitting to any of their long list of embarrassments, but occasionally blaming US/AWA for all our current problems.
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