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Originally Posted by Thatsapproved
(Post 3674944)
I don’t get why people are so upset about the 2.0. I’m okay with living on coattails. Its
like college. I’d rather cheat of the smart kid then spend valuable drinking time studying lol |
Braniff Christmas?
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 3674852)
APA’s structure, governance and bylaws are what hampers its ability to secure ILCs. Period, dot, end of sentence. It has nothing to do with AA pilots running it, or former US, or former AW, or whoever. You could have an army of the smartest pilots in charge of fixing it but they will fall flat on their faces - and they have over the years I’ve been here - simply due to the almost autonomous and absolute power the BOD has over everybody else in the union, including the NOs. At the end of the day, we live and die by the BOD’s actions. The ONLY time APA has made gains is when the membership itself has revolted or acted on its own against its leadership. (Braniff Christmas, Sept to Remember, etc.)
When a union only makes gains when its membership revolts, you’ve got a deeply flawed union. There is indeed one way to fix APA. Schitt can it and replace it with ALPA. Until that happens, we will trail the industry. It’s really that simple. The ILCs happening everywhere today except APA is proof. AA pilots have been ham strung by APA for DECADES. It’s like being in a bad marriage with no way out. If you want to fault AA pilots, fault them for not going back to ALPA a lot sooner. Unfortunately, AA pilots have been “institutionalized” by APA’s actions over the decades and part of that has become ingrained in their DNA. That’ll take a while to purge, but it is possible - through a fresh start with ALPA. I’ll end my rant with one more example of the BOD’s antics and why this union is so broken. Last spring, the ALPA exploratory committee actually RECOMMENDED to the BOD that, in their view, the next step in exploring an ALPA merger needed to proceed, based on their extensive research. In other words, the very committee that the BOD appointed to explore a merger with ALPA recommended we take the next step. And the BOD shot down ITS OWN COMMITTEE’S RECOMMENDATIONS immediately as the panic set in that their days might be numbered. Now, what does that tell you as to the question if APA can be fixed? |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3674934)
okay buddy. I guess it’s just hard for you to fathom that your airline’s management and your union lag the industry. Enjoy contract 2.0 or 3.0 or 3.5 or whatever it is.
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Originally Posted by Varks
(Post 3674654)
I’ll take our sick any day. Somehow doing only 4 day trips I have accumulated over 500 hours sick time. It can be done.
Does Delta have annual cost of living adjustments to LTD? Yes it gets 401k. stop cherry picking. This will be the best contract of my career. |
Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
(Post 3674931)
There’s an imax compass guide. Read that.
FYI: “go read a compass manual” is actually not helpful advice, nor does it answer the question. Cheers. |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3674849)
Delta has been and will continue paying for jets with cash. Go read their 10K’s…
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
(Post 3675042)
Serious question because I see a common trend with Delta guys….do y’all have Delta posters in your rooms? Do y’all have weekly meetings where you sit in a big groups and talk about how much more awesome y’all are than others?
delta is better run, makes more money, has happier employees, has more pilots, and a much better contract. It’s unfortunately our reality because of how poor our airline and union are run. |
Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 3674868)
No, I'm not going to do your assigned homework. I think DAL does a better job but still has to replace AC.
If you think paying cash for AC is a plan, you're dead and don't even know it. Ask the NWA old guys about old NWA and the Checchi. Should be a good primer for all cash fleet. But I’m sure you knew that. maybe worry less about what another management team’s plan is, and more about raising the bar. if, in fact, AA is on the tail end of its massive debt pay down , then it should have been even easier to raise the bar. |
Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
(Post 3675049)
maybe worry less about what another management team’s plan is, and more about raising the bar. |
Originally Posted by Varks
(Post 3674654)
I’ll take our sick any day. Somehow doing only 4 day trips I have accumulated over 500 hours sick time. It can be done.
Does Delta have annual cost of living adjustments to LTD? Yes it gets 401k. stop cherry picking. This will be the best contract of my career. |
Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
(Post 3674673)
will solve absolutely nothing. Ask spirit guys how alpa did for them on the latest contract.
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Originally Posted by beancounter
(Post 3675020)
Yeah, I built up hundreds of hours of sick time on the narrow body, because I was only flying 12-13 days a month and the trips were good. The new guys now will never see that, because they’re flying garbage trips, 16 days a month, and getting pounded into the ground. Very few of them I talk to have any sick time, it’s impossible to accumulate it.
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3675062)
In his defense, you are the one commenting on another airline’s thread. You, along with the thread starter, started this whole thing unprovoked…
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
(Post 3675140)
oh, it most certainly was provoked. By APA's pathetic display of unionism and discombobulated lack of leadership. ****ing freeloaders.
P.S. And if you don’t believe me, go look at the United forum from back in April and May. |
Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3675148)
You do realize UALPA only started making serious progress with United management after the AA AIP, right? But your revisionist history of what happened literally a month ago sounds better
P.S. And if you don’t believe me, go look at the United forum from back in April and May. These threads are getting absurd. |
Originally Posted by Montcalm
(Post 3675159)
You do realize that it was massively voted down, right? They regrouped and knocked it out of the park. We miserably failed what, four times now?
These threads are getting absurd. I don’t care about their TUMI TA if that’s what you’re talking about. |
Originally Posted by NERD
(Post 3674963)
Braniff Christmas?
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3675148)
You do realize UALPA only started making serious progress with United management after the AA AIP, right? But your revisionist history of what happened literally a month ago sounds better
P.S. And if you don’t believe me, go look at the United forum from back in April and May. no one in the industry is interested in your candy-ass excuses. But hey, as long as you can convince yourself. |
Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
(Post 3675210)
revisionist history? This is happening right now. You had like 3 chances to exceed industry leading and you only matched every time.
no one in the industry is interested in your candy-ass excuses. But hey, as long as you can convince yourself. |
IMAX is all the empty nesters say over and over.
If it was so great for everybody then more pilots would be IMAXing yet they aren't. There is a reason for that. Bunch of senior idiots at this company |
Originally Posted by ImSoSuss
(Post 3675094)
They did pretty good considering it was supposed to just be a bridge until the JetBlue JCBA. Why don't you ask Spirit pilots how well ALPA did when they negotiated their industry leading QOL contract a few years ago?
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
(Post 3675225)
Did we match though? Isom has claimed the new new AA AIP is worth 9 billion. The UAL AIP is 10+ billion.
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As Sen. Everett Derksen famously said, a billion here, a billion there. soon you are talking about real money.
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Originally Posted by Armyguy
(Post 3675231)
IMAX is all the empty nesters say over and over.
If it was so great for everybody then more pilots would be IMAXing yet they aren't. There is a reason for that. Bunch of senior idiots at this company More and more pilots are IMAXing, there is a reason for that, they are learning from others and just starting. Others simply don't give a crap about anything and can't be bothered to learn anything about the contract to improve their lives, more than a few over the years have had their spouses bid for them or leave money on the table every day. Claiming some vague "there's a reason for that" is pure ignorance and stupidity, but no surprise to hear. If you wonder where senior idiots come from, just upgrade. |
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
(Post 3674934)
okay buddy. I guess it’s just hard for you to fathom that your airline’s management and your union lag the industry. Enjoy contract 2.0 or 3.0 or 3.5 or whatever it is.
I mentioned Checchi and NWA? Ring a bell. Where were you when it happened? I was reading the financial info about the fallout of a low debt company getting screwed. Congrats on getting hired at DAL. Hopefully they can manage the CAPEX for the 757/767 replacement cost. |
Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 3675260)
Yes and No, anything without family obligations makes airline scheduling easier in life, IMAX or not.
More and more pilots are IMAXing, there is a reason for that, they are learning from others and just starting. Others simply don't give a crap about anything and can't be bothered to learn anything about the contract to improve their lives, more than a few over the years have had their spouses bid for them or leave money on the table every day. Claiming some vague "there's a reason for that" is pure ignorance and stupidity, but no surprise to hear. If you wonder where senior idiots come from, just upgrade. |
Originally Posted by Armyguy
(Post 3675281)
i will admit that was a good burn at the end. Well played sir
Then I upgraded and saw the clueless company hacks in the right seat (again outside majority of good guys and gals) Best to both our careers |
Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
(Post 3675225)
Did we match though? Isom has claimed the new new AA AIP is worth 9 billion. The UAL AIP is 10+ billion.
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 3675260)
Yes and No, anything without family obligations makes airline scheduling easier in life, IMAX or not.
More and more pilots are IMAXing, there is a reason for that, they are learning from others and just starting. Others simply don't give a crap about anything and can't be bothered to learn anything about the contract to improve their lives, more than a few over the years have had their spouses bid for them or leave money on the table every day. Claiming some vague "there's a reason for that" is pure ignorance and stupidity, but no surprise to hear. If you wonder where senior idiots come from, just upgrade. |
Originally Posted by Hueypilot
(Post 3675306)
I have kids at home, and I'm running into IMAX, although accidentally. Just been running my PPROJ up as high as I can tolerate in order to pay for a home under construction that always seems to be going over budget! Can't wait to slow down once it's completed, however.
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 3675328)
Thats the thing about IMAX, you’d be way better off getting a spread sheet and running a game-plan than just high flying. High flying alone will get you in IMAX hell, the negative side of IMAX where you get limited to about 75 hours and no free time off. Consider speaking with some experts.
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3675298)
"Overall value" isn't the gauge. Isom himself is on video saying he was prepared to "match" DL. It's totally disingenuous to say AA didn't match DL, then UA on the vast majority of the bullet points, including pay tables to the penny. It's one long list of "me too" snap-ups.
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Originally Posted by Hueypilot
(Post 3675306)
I have kids at home, and I'm running into IMAX, although accidentally. Just been running my PPROJ up as high as I can tolerate in order to pay for a home under construction that always seems to be going over budget! Can't wait to slow down once it's completed, however.
You can get sucked into the ultimate "nirvana" IMAX goal, but don't sacrifice time with them for it. |
Originally Posted by CRJJ
(Post 3675331)
I’m still in training but I’ve been learning IMAX from my best friend, and I can tell at this point that the difference between mastering IMAX or not must be the difference between happy and miserable/I hate AA type of pilots. Looks like literally two different jobs.
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Originally Posted by PRS Guitars
(Post 3675339)
Not true, you don’t have to IMAX to get good QOL. Honestly, most important thing is learn the contract, learn the scheduling tools (PBS, TTS, DOTC), learn to analyze what you can do at your seniority using the PBS Award Report. Also use that report to choose your base if you commute and have options. Figure out the best way to bid a reserve schedule. I’ve flown with many CA’s, and surprisingly many FO’s that have no clue how to bid their schedule, they also don’t care about even trying to improve it.
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Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3675162)
What are you talking about? AA came out with the most recent AIP on 5/19 and, up until that point, UA pilots were talking on their forum about how little progress that had made in their negotiations. No one will take the time and go back and read the threads, but they’re there.
I don’t care about their TUMI TA if that’s what you’re talking about. As I said. Absurd. |
Originally Posted by Montcalm
(Post 3675353)
Yes, APA most definitely saved UALPA with our bottom of the industry TA1… 🤦🏻♂️
As I said. Absurd. 1) December 2022- Delta sets new industry standard with AIP 2) March 2023- Delta TA ratified 3) April 2023-Murmurs of progress/imminent AA deal, not nearly as much progress on UA side 4) May 2023- AA reaches AIP 5) Late May-June 2023- Murmurs of progress on UA side 6) July 2023- UA AIP The point is not that the AA AIP was industry leading, it was industry matching at best. Having an agreement at all at AA did two things: it gave UALPA leverage because United was now the only one without a pilot agreement, and it gave SK an opportunity to show up RI. You really think the timing is a coincidence? There is little doubt in my mind much of the timing of the UA AIP was to mess with the vote of the AA TA and possibly send us down a potential path of mediation. This is something I felt would happen back in we came out with our AIP/TA. All of timing of what I stated above can be validated with a combination of Google searches and looking at UA threads on this site. Right now, those in upper management at the legacies are playing chess and we are playing checkers. You have to read between the lines. |
Originally Posted by CRJCapitan
(Post 3675367)
Sequence of events last eight months:
1) December 2022- Delta sets new industry standard with AIP 2) March 2023- Delta TA ratified 3) April 2023-Murmurs of progress/imminent AA deal, not nearly as much progress on UA side 4) May 2023- AA reaches AIP 5) Late May-June 2023- Murmurs of progress on UA side 6) July 2023- UA AIP The point is not that the AA AIP was industry leading, it was industry matching at best. Having an agreement at all at AA did two things: it gave UALPA leverage because United was now the only one without a pilot agreement, and it gave SK an opportunity to show up RI. You really think the timing is a coincidence? There is little doubt in my mind much of the timing of the UA AIP was to mess with the vote of the AA TA and possibly send us down a potential path of mediation. This is something I felt would happen back in we came out with our AIP/TA. All of timing of what I stated above can be validated with a combination of Google searches and looking at UA threads on this site. Right now, those in upper management at the legacies are playing chess and we are playing checkers. You have to read between the lines. It appears we lack your divine omniscience. All I witness are the perpetual failings of APA, time and time again, like a recurring bad joke. |
Originally Posted by CRJJ
(Post 3675350)
What information do you get on that PBS award report ?
You can look at historical data. I look at old December awards every year to gauge how pilots bid and gauge what I can hold as an example (holiday pay has completely changed bidding behavior though). Otherwise I just look back a month or 2. It can help you manage expectations and also not waste layers bidding stuff you won’t get. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3675298)
"Overall value" isn't the gauge. Isom himself is on video saying he was prepared to "match" DL. It's totally disingenuous to say AA didn't match DL, then UA on the vast majority of the bullet points, including pay tables to the penny. It's one long list of "me too" snap-ups.
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