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Old 09-02-2023, 02:29 PM
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What’s the better equipment to bid. Would prefer to do more European flying than down south. I was looking at the 3XP and they both seem to do a mix of European and South America. Just wanted to get an opinion on what the best equipment to bid for the next decade.
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Unknown. What you are asking, nobody knows, probably even the company.
1. How long will the 777 stick around? Some are getting long in tooth, approaching 25+ years in service. Close to the retirement age of any past fleet.
2. 777 does LHR (only europe) Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and a couple of Domestic flights including SJU that might be flown out of base. That is it for now.
3. MIA 787 does Barcelona and Madrid plus a couple more deep south flights and a couple of dog DFW/PHL 2-day trips. That's it.

Does CDG and TLV come back? Who knows.

Lineholder 777 can Make Up out of base JFK/CLT/DFW trips for the next day. 787 can MU at PHL/ORD/DFW/LAX.

PHL has the most variety to Europe on 787.
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Old 09-02-2023, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer View Post
Unknown. What you are asking, nobody knows, probably even the company.
1. How long will the 777 stick around? Some are getting long in tooth, approaching 25+ years in service. Close to the retirement age of any past fleet.
2. 777 does LHR (only europe) Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and a couple of Domestic flights including SJU that might be flown out of base. That is it for now.
3. MIA 787 does Barcelona and Madrid plus a couple more deep south flights and a couple of dog DFW/PHL 2-day trips. That's it.

Does CDG and TLV come back? Who knows.

Lineholder 777 can Make Up out of base JFK/CLT/DFW trips for the next day. 787 can MU at PHL/ORD/DFW/LAX.

PHL has the most variety to Europe on 787.
Agreed that it’s a coin flip. Only thing to add… per “top men”, company can’t afford to retire 772s until 2030ish. They’re paid for and AA needs all the widebodies it has to generate revenue to pay down debt. Can’t pay down debt without airplanes to generate revenue. Not enough 787s on order (30 still to be delivered) to replace 772s. Company looking at another large 789/781 order to replace 772s starting late 2020s. TBD. 773s are young and will remain in fleet for decades. Company kicked tires on a “bunch” of used 773s from a Middle East carrier but they backed out. Company kicked tires on Cathay Pacific 773s, TBD. Company not interested in any used 772s, only 773s. 773s going through cabin refurb to take out IFC and add even more biz class seats with gimmicky doors that frequent flyers want. 777 destinations are extremely limited while 773s in heavy mx, expect more destinations to return as they complete. Rumored new 787 destinations are HKG, ICN, SIN… all out of LAX though.
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What you mean with “Company Kicked Tires…”?

And is AA looking to add more 773 used to the fleet?
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Can we just all agree that the solution is a big 330 NEO order for CLT flying?
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Old 09-06-2023, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ParkingatMIA View Post
What’s the better equipment to bid. Would prefer to do more European flying than down south. I was looking at the 3XP and they both seem to do a mix of European and South America. Just wanted to get an opinion on what the best equipment to bid for the next decade.
Miami is the wrong base to bid if you want to fly to Europe.
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