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Dunkin 04-22-2026 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 4026367)
I think Kirby is right, there's only room for 2 premium carriers. I'm not sure where that leaves us, but consolidation of the rest of us is a foregone conclusion. Our financials will be so depressing tommorow.

The best case scenario for AA is to merge with Alaska/Hawaiian after they complete their merger and invest a lot of $ into the product, that airline has a chance of competing with the other two. As a standalone carrier AA will always be a distant third.

RippinClapBombs 04-22-2026 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 4026367)
I think Kirby is right, there's only room for 2 premium carriers. I'm not sure where that leaves us, but consolidation of the rest of us is a foregone conclusion. Our financials will be so depressing tommorow.

The opposite—there’s not enough premium seats in the market.

RippinClapBombs 04-22-2026 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 4026403)
The best case scenario for AA is to merge with Alaska/Hawaiian after they complete their merger and invest a lot of $ into the product, that airline has a chance of competing with the other two. As a standalone carrier AA will always be a distant third.

The problem is the same management team for almost 10 years now has chased the schedule over profits. We have a much higher CASM compared to Delta and United because of our large RJ operation combined with lack of available premium seating—again when compared to DL/UA.

It’s not that difficult to see where this management team f*cked up. Delta started reducing their RJ fleet—both revenue and margins increased. United copy and pasted—revenue and margins increased.

bababouey 04-22-2026 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 4026419)
The opposite—there’s not enough premium seats in the market.

more premium seats that cancel, delay, or lose your bags will not work for us.

Name User 04-22-2026 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 4026442)
more premium seats that cancel, delay, or lose your bags will not work for us.

AA was actually the first legacy to introduce a main cabin extra type product. Going from 31" pitch to 34" pitch in the 2000's. It was unsuccessful despite a full on marketing blitz. People just didn't pay for it. Then Spirit happened and that seemed to reinforce management's thoughts on that.

"premium" seating might be working now, will it hold up or will it be non-rev specials in the coming years? No real way to know. That being said I agree, AA's CASM-ex has always been the highest and our RASM barely covered it in the best of times save for 2016-2017. RJs haven't helped and in one year alone AA spent $600+ million on RJ pilot retention and bonuses.

Operationally speaking, we have to be better than we were pre-covid (2018-2019) but I don't have any statistics to back that up. I don't think that is our main issue anymore, but maybe it is.

FlyPanAm 04-22-2026 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Tayo826 (Post 4026369)
It should be mentioned that before coming to UA, Patrick Quayle worked at AA for 10 years (according to his LinkedIn page). He likely interacted with Isom during those 10 years.

A large part of UA’s executive team is ex-AA. Kirby, Nocella, Quayle, Gupta…

Easyflier301 04-22-2026 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4026478)
A large part of UA’s executive team is ex-AA. Kirby, Nocella, Quayle, Gupta…

Vasu….

filler

Name User 04-22-2026 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPanAm (Post 4026478)
A large part of UA’s executive team is ex-AA. Kirby, Nocella, Quayle, Gupta…

So does that mean it's the structure of our airline that can't be fixed? If top management can leave one airline for another and take that airline from a rudderless ship to minting $3b a year in under a decade, what does that say about AA as a corporate entity? Seems like new management won't fix the underlying issues whatever they are - bad hubs, bad corporate culture, employees who think they work at the DMV, etc.

RippinClapBombs 04-23-2026 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4026624)
So does that mean it's the structure of our airline that can't be fixed? If top management can leave one airline for another and take that airline from a rudderless ship to minting $3b a year in under a decade, what does that say about AA as a corporate entity? Seems like new management won't fix the underlying issues whatever they are - bad hubs, bad corporate culture, employees who think they work at the DMV, etc.

Idk I see it differently. Looks like he hand picked his team with the descent talent (previous AA managers) and left all the scrubs (current AA managers). They made Vasu the new water boy, so he doesn’t count.

Easyflier301 04-23-2026 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Name User (Post 4026624)
So does that mean it's the structure of our airline that can't be fixed? If top management can leave one airline for another and take that airline from a rudderless ship to minting $3b a year in under a decade, what does that say about AA as a corporate entity? Seems like new management won't fix the underlying issues whatever they are - bad hubs, bad corporate culture, employees who think they work at the DMV, etc.

yes. Structurally in 2026 (admittedly this has to do with a lot of bad decisions over the years) AA does not have the same hand to play that UAL/DAL does. Kirby could come back tomorrow and he’d probably be doing all the things AA management is doing now to try to start turning things around.


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