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Tomahawk58 05-10-2012 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by jayme (Post 1185745)
We all know what you do on this forum. You spread management propaganda. Nobody really knows who is paying your salary, but it's not too hard to guess.

What we do know, is that you aren't a pilot, as you have claimed. That is against the terms of service of this web board, and for that you should be banned.

But honestly, since your position is indefensible, and since aa73 and Eaglefly are doing a great job rebutting your propaganda, I guess you're harmless enough.

Come to think of it, some guys might actually think you are being ironic.

Jayme,

You're right, Mr Parker's position is way more defensible than AA, after all, he met with his own team and brought them up to equal pay across West and East. Then, He gave them industry-leading rates before meeting with APA for a week. Then, He gave them furlough protection before meeting with APA. Then, He gave them an iron-clad broad-based agreement before meeting for a week with the APA.

You're right, I don't know what the heck I was thinking. The US option is totally defensible and imminently more believable. It's only propaganda if it's coming from AA......right, got it!

Tomahawk58 05-10-2012 03:23 PM

As to whose paying me, it's the same AA that pays you if you're an AA pilot, if you're aren't, it doesn't matter. And the beauty of it is, I haven't had an AA check bounce in the 23plus years I've been here.

Diehard AAer for life and proud of it :)

LittleBoyBlew 05-10-2012 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1185826)
As to whose paying me, it's the same AA that pays you if you're an AA pilot, if you're aren't, it doesn't matter. And the beauty of it is, I haven't had an AA check bounce in the 23plus years I've been here.

Diehard AAer for life and proud of it :)

From what I've read here, you seem to be holding on by your finger nails. From what I gather, your group might be the first to be shown the door. Desperation manifests itself in obvious ways.

Tomahawk58 05-10-2012 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1185857)
From what I've read here, you seem to be holding on by your finger nails. From what I gather, your group might be the first to be shown the door. Desperation manifests itself in obvious ways.

That's what you get for believing a lot of what you read here. I won't be going anywhere for at least the next 10plus years. If that upset some, too bad. It's laughable what some choose to believe from an emotional standpoint. Never let the facts cloud one's emotion.

Focus on the issues, and forget the personalities!

NERD 05-10-2012 08:00 PM

Could you be a bigger *****? You support essentially the same management team as before minus Arpey. All the talk of raising revenue by billions that your dream team is espousing. Why the F$$% have they not tried that since your 2003 capitulation? Clue, they are full of it and are out of airspeed and altitude. If it was so easy to increase revenue by 2B a year, it would have been done. They have no plan but to have labor pay for their mistakes. The sad part is that you are buying into it. Just admit it, that you are safe in your seniority and don't care about those below you. You want to just make it through to your retirement(wishing it gets frozen). At 23 years you were probably a bit too young to retire early and take the lump sum, too old to start over but are willing to throw the junior pilots under the bus to suit your needs. Doesn't surprise me from a late 80s AA hire. Plenty of airlines hiring without a horrendous B scale but you went there. Either got turned down or never offered an interview elsewhere.



Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1185826)
As to whose paying me, it's the same AA that pays you if you're an AA pilot, if you're aren't, it doesn't matter. And the beauty of it is, I haven't had an AA check bounce in the 23plus years I've been here.

Diehard AAer for life and proud of it :)


Tomahawk58 05-11-2012 02:30 AM


Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1186037)
Could you be a bigger *****? You support essentially the same management team as before minus Arpey. All the talk of raising revenue by billions that your dream team is espousing. Why the F$$% have they not tried that since your 2003 capitulation? Clue, they are full of it and are out of airspeed and altitude. If it was so easy to increase revenue by 2B a year, it would have been done. They have no plan but to have labor pay for their mistakes. The sad part is that you are buying into it. Just admit it, that you are safe in your seniority and don't care about those below you. You want to just make it through to your retirement(wishing it gets frozen). At 23 years you were probably a bit too young to retire early and take the lump sum, too old to start over but are willing to throw the junior pilots under the bus to suit your needs. Doesn't surprise me from a late 80s AA hire. Plenty of airlines hiring without a horrendous B scale but you went there. Either got turned down or never offered an interview elsewhere.

Nerd -

Of course I'm safe at my seniority level and and it's an earned one. This is my company and I'm here because I chose to be here and I'm quite proud of that fact. What part of my loyalty comment didn't you get?

You're right, I have supported the leadership team headed by Gerard during his tenure, after all, he spent his entire career(30 years+) at AA. I also supported Mr Crandall's team before that.

Life for me has never been about quick fixes, selfish expediency, or pie in the sky dreams. If that causes you consternation, so be it.

AA has been an incredible airline for more than 80 years and will continue to be so.

Diehard AAer for life and proud of it :)!

flybywire44 05-13-2012 11:16 AM

I do think a US/AA merger will work.

AA/LCC merger will represent 29% of all capacity in the US. Horton says AMR will grow its international capacity by 7%; the aircraft are on order, US Airways can feed that growth and there is plenty of room for additional competition in the pacific.

Sliceback 05-13-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Tomahawk58 (Post 1186083)

You're right, I have supported the leadership team headed by Gerard during his tenure, after all, he spent his entire career(30 years+) at AA. I also supported Mr Crandall's team before that.


So if the powers that be decide Parker/Kirby is the effective answer to run AA you'll support them 100%?

Tomahawk58 05-13-2012 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 1187455)
So if the powers that be decide Parker/Kirby is the effective answer to run AA you'll support them 100%?

They're not AA yet and hopefully never will be.

Lcamp2100 05-13-2012 04:15 PM

Sorry, don't trust or want to work for AMR any longer - unless they give me a real pay raise and new management. Promising to lay me off or stagnate me as an FO fo 36 years just isn't doing it for me

A 20 year FO..


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