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slammer1906 05-18-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 1190686)
No doubt PHX has been good for US, but I wonder what would happen to it when placed between a DFW fortress hub and the LAX focus. I personally don't think there is enough room for all three to survive long term. A combined US/AA will still have a large presence in PHX years to come, but it will dwindle. 5yrs after the merger i think it would be on the same level as CVG/MEM are for DAL

AA pilots on top, PHX closing, PHL being cut, sounds like doom and gloom eh? So, vote no on a joint contract? Dont accept a SLI?

Flyby1206 05-18-2012 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by slammer1906 (Post 1190779)
AA pilots on top, PHX closing, PHL being cut, sounds like doom and gloom eh? So, vote no on a joint contract? Dont accept a SLI?

No, it's all going to be ponies and rainbows for everyone. Forget I ever said anything.

satpak77 05-18-2012 04:02 PM

My broken, inop, crystal ball predicts that these will be kept for sure

DFW
MIA
PHX
ORD
PHL

Others, I don't know. I say "above kept" because too much existing investment and infrastructure (and the bottom line, customer have become conditioned to them....) at these hubs. Harder to fold up the tent and pack it away than keep it and exploit its advantages.

What I see is more international expansion/coverage versus domestic. Maybe some more PHX to Hawaii, Vegas to Hawaii (not technically international but....), PHX to additional Mexico cities, etc stuff

slammer1906 05-18-2012 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 1190921)
No, it's all going to be ponies and rainbows for everyone. Forget I ever said anything.

LMBO, ok, much better.

Errbus 05-18-2012 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1191119)
My broken, inop, crystal ball predicts that these will be kept for sure

DFW
MIA
PHX
ORD
PHL

Others, I don't know. I say "above kept" because too much existing investment and infrastructure (and the bottom line, customer have become conditioned to them....) at these hubs. Harder to fold up the tent and pack it away than keep it and exploit its advantages.

What I see is more international expansion/coverage versus domestic. Maybe some more PHX to Hawaii, Vegas to Hawaii (not technically international but....), PHX to additional Mexico cities, etc stuff

I would think that CLT and DCA would be the prime assets of US to be guaranteed to survive a merger. DCA because of the prime location/customer base and value of all the slots. CLT because its the only game in town in the southeast aside from ATL. Though, I could see CLT losing a lot of its international flying, both to the islands and Europe. All just guesses though.

Flyby1206 05-18-2012 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by Errbus (Post 1191145)
I would think that CLT and DCA would be the prime assets of US to be guaranteed to survive a merger. DCA because of the prime location/customer base and value of all the slots. CLT because its the only game in town in the southeast aside from ATL. Though, I could see CLT losing a lot of its international flying, both to the islands and Europe. All just guesses though.

I agree. DCA is a great business market, and CLT would be a great domestic hub in the southeast. MIA just doesnt work for backwards connections (think JFK-MIA-SAV) and CLT could streamline things nicely.


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1191119)
My broken, inop, crystal ball predicts that these will be kept for sure

DFW
MIA
PHX
ORD
PHL

Others, I don't know. I say "above kept" because too much existing investment and infrastructure (and the bottom line, customer have become conditioned to them....) at these hubs. Harder to fold up the tent and pack it away than keep it and exploit its advantages.

What I see is more international expansion/coverage versus domestic. Maybe some more PHX to Hawaii, Vegas to Hawaii (not technically international but....), PHX to additional Mexico cities, etc stuff

No LGA?! AA literally put LGA on the map as a major NYC airport. And how about JFK, with the investments AA has made into T8. JFK is probably the most important airport in the country if you want to have a serious international presence. I cant see them giving that up.

aa73 05-18-2012 04:53 PM

JFK ain't going anywhere, neither is LGA. They won't grow (not that they're growing anyway) but they will definitely stick around.

satpak77 05-18-2012 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1191162)
JFK ain't going anywhere, neither is LGA. They won't grow (not that they're growing anyway) but they will definitely stick around.

good points, yes I missed those

RJSAviator76 05-18-2012 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1190178)
As for the seniority issue, Kirby said what Dave Bates, president of the Allied Pilots Association, already has said: The 2007 McCaskill-Bond statute creates a path to a resolution because it mandates binding arbitration.

Binding arbitration and USAPA?!?

Hilarious! :D

eaglefly 05-19-2012 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 1191360)
Binding arbitration and USAPA?!?

Hilarious! :D

USAPA vaporizes with the merger. The arbitration he's referring to would be accepted by APA. In that case, there will be no hijackings of unions and those who disagree with the outcome would simply quit.


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