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cactiboss 05-22-2012 06:11 PM

From the APA board, name withheld by request

I road home on Usair to CLT, and a CO-Pilot had something he could not wait to show me. Evidently a pilot at Usair has gotten ahold of our seniority list, and has created a combined Usair/AA list that shows them where the will fall with strait date of Hire. This is the second trip in a row to clt on Usair where the co-pilots are obnoxious about date of hire. They are also up set that APA accepted pref bidding, and want there current system to remain. On both trips home the Co-pilots were upper 50's maybe even 60. I don"t really no the details of what we are doing about this subject,but their tone is a little nasty/demanding. They are deathly afriad we a going to take over, and they will be marginalized(YEPH). I can only hope the Fence is sufficently high to keep us from being over run by this Geriatric mob!! (The capt had 27 year's, and was about to be displaced to Co-pilot on the A321.)Danm!!!!!!

B757200ER 05-22-2012 09:19 PM

So now AA jumpseaters are being harassed? This deal hasn't even come close to actually occuring and US pilots are putting together combined seniority lists? Jeez.

What relevance does DOH have, anyway? Who says any of that would apply, if the merger actually occured?

tomgoodman 05-22-2012 09:42 PM


I road home on Usair to CLT, and a CO-Pilot had something he could not wait to show me. Evidently a pilot at Usair has gotten ahold of our seniority list, and has created a combined Usair/AA list that shows them where the will fall with strait date of Hire. This is the second trip in a row to clt on Usair where the co-pilots are obnoxious about date of hire. They are also up set that APA accepted pref bidding, and want there current system to remain. On both trips home the Co-pilots were upper 50's maybe even 60. I don"t really no the details of what we are doing about this subject,but their tone is a little nasty/demanding. They are deathly afriad we a going to take over, and they will be marginalized(YEPH). I can only hope the Fence is sufficently high to keep us from being over run by this Geriatric mob!! (The capt had 27 year's, and was about to be displaced to Co-pilot on the A321.)Danm!!!!!!
This must be authentic. A hoax would not contain so many errors in grammar, spelling, and punctuation. :p

cactiboss 05-22-2012 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1194792)
This must be authentic. A hoax would not contain so many errors in grammar, spelling, and punctuation. :p

This post was placed today, maybe an Aa guy can verify for all of us

100indefinite 05-23-2012 04:32 AM

cactiboss inciting HATE again! let's see the link...

Bad-Andy 05-23-2012 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by 100indefinite (Post 1194862)
cactiboss inciting HATE again! let's see the link...

I doubt it. I saw the list commuting up from Miami this week. I thought it was a joke, but apparently not. Either way, it is just a pipe-dream. Does anyone really think that APA will just willingly give up a bunch of their wide-body seats to us? Really? The list I saw put our junior narrow-body Captains (bottom block-holders and reserves) able to hold 767 Captain in any base and 777 Captain in ORD or MIA. Somehow, I just don't see APA agreeing to that -- fence or no fence.

So, why is anyone even wasting the time or energy worrying about this??? As someone said above, the deal isn't even close to done yet, and we're already dividing the pilot groups over irrelevant issues...

Sometimes I think that we pilots are our own worst enemies.....

eaglefly 05-23-2012 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1194799)
This post was placed today, maybe an Aa guy can verify for all of us

Authentic. Grammar and the like aside, as several others have posted, this "list" is out there. It has no basis in reality, just someone's wet dream. Again, shouldn't get worked up about it at this point. My advice is if someone shows you this list as anything other then amusement, you should simply laugh. This "merger" appears highly likely, but who controls it and when is still unknown. Even if it does occur, it's possible it may involve U itself being broken up. It's possible certain segments of U will be sold to others or even certain segments of AA. I don't think even the players know full well what they would have or want.

Will this be a work in progress or is someone formulating a finished product via a plan ?

If the former, it's even more likely it will morph and change as time goes on. It will take years to complete to one cohesive carrier and more then likely those who are clinging to such a list will have probably blown their brains out by then. :rolleyes:

LittleBoyBlew 05-23-2012 09:14 AM

Dude its just CACTI stirring up the pot trying to pit the east US pilots against AA and the WHOLE dam world. This dude severely needs a girlfriend. The fact is no one can predict the outcome of this transaction. Besides the inherent FLAWS that corrupted the Nic have now been fixed. 3 arbiters composing a list that will be based on Mac/Bond. The final product will be binding on all THREE groups.
As in all walks of life, there are those that choose to stir the pot and bring chaos and uncertainty to events that no one can predict. Besides, if the Mayans are correct, that 7 year fence, and the whole merger thing will be moot.:D

eaglefly 05-23-2012 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1195151)
Dude............The fact is no one can predict the outcome of this transaction.

Ummm, dude............isn't this what I've been saying ?



Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1195151)
Besides the inherent FLAWS that corrupted the Nic have now been fixed.

Not sure what you're referring to here.


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1195151)
3 arbiters composing a list that will be based on Mac/Bond. The final product will be binding on all THREE groups.
As in all walks of life, there are those that choose to stir the pot and bring chaos and uncertainty to events that no one can predict.

My understanding is that the internal U list will be one list prior to any SLI process with AA and then THAT merger SLI will be binding on ONE group......that being AA pilots represented by the APA, that group comprising of former US Airways pilots in the seniority order of that one U list submitted prior to the merger SLI process.


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1195151)
Besides, if the Mayans are correct, that 7 year fence, and the whole merger thing will be moot.:D

I think that 12/21 drop dead date (for us all) has already been debunked. ;)

LittleBoyBlew 05-23-2012 10:16 AM

What about the girlfriend thing... You do agree with me right?


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