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LittleBoyBlew 05-23-2012 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1195189)
Ummm, dude............isn't this what I've been saying ?




Not sure what you're referring to here.



My understanding is that the internal U list will be one list prior to any SLI process with AA and then THAT merger SLI will be binding on ONE group......that being AA pilots represented by the APA, that group comprising of former US Airways pilots in the seniority order of that one U list submitted prior to the merger SLI process.



I think that 12/21 drop dead date (for us all) has already been debunked. ;)

"Your Understanding", according to Your WEST sources..
Carry on...Nothing else to discuss here.....

cactiboss 05-23-2012 10:27 AM

For you commuting AA guys, west crewed flt numbers are 699 and below. Flight numbers above 700 are east crews, spread the word.

LittleBoyBlew 05-23-2012 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1195229)
For you commuting AA guys, west crewed flt numbers are 699 and below. Flight numbers above 700 are east crews, spread the word.

Spread the HATE!! Hello CACTI. Hows life treating ya?

captfred 05-23-2012 10:52 AM

How is that spreading the hate Blew?

eaglefly 05-23-2012 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1195219)
What about the girlfriend thing... You do agree with me right?


Not concerned with his romantic persuits. Also not interested in being drawn into a squabble between you guys.

eaglefly 05-23-2012 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew (Post 1195224)
"Your Understanding", according to Your WEST sources..
Carry on...Nothing else to discuss here.....

No, NOT any "west" sources. You know, for someone trying to convince me that it's the "other" side being excessively emotional and the instigators, you're now weakening your argument with every post.

You know what they say when you've dug yourself into a hole, right ? :rolleyes:

Puros 05-23-2012 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1195285)
No, NOT any "west" sources. You know, for someone trying to convince me that it's the "other" side being excessively emotional and the instigators, you're now weakening your argument with every post.

You know what they say when you've dug yourself into a hole, right ? :rolleyes:

Well said.

VenetianFryCook 05-24-2012 09:30 AM

1. The East/AA DOH list exists. I have a copy. I find it comical in the extreme ... it doesn't show ANY West pilots, in any order. I retain it only as a reference to the general seniority profile of the AA group. (As a US pilot, I can see the East and West lists, as well as the Nicolau and USAPA lists, anytime I wish via official sources.) I wouldn't ascribe too much ill intent to its existence, though ... I've seen would-be DOH lists floating around the internet for every merger since AA/TWA.

2. Anyone who has been on here for very long should be painfully aware that Blew (E) and cactiboss (W) are the two biggest US Airways agents provocateur on this site. They both manage to state their cases in such a way as to alienate as many people as possible! There are several other representatives of both our East and West groups who can state their positions far more diplomatically.

3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]

Beyond that, bickering about most of this is a giant waste of time!

texaspilot76 05-24-2012 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook (Post 1196265)
1. The East/AA DOH list exists. I have a copy. I find it comical in the extreme ... it doesn't show ANY West pilots, in any order. I retain it only as a reference to the general seniority profile of the AA group. (As a US pilot, I can see the East and West lists, as well as the Nicolau and USAPA lists, anytime I wish via official sources.) I wouldn't ascribe too much ill intent to its existence, though ... I've seen would-be DOH lists floating around the internet for every merger since AA/TWA.

2. Anyone who has been on here for very long should be painfully aware that Blew (E) and cactiboss (W) are the two biggest US Airways agents provocateur on this site. They both manage to state their cases in such a way as to alienate as many people as possible! There are several other representatives of both our East and West groups who can state their positions far more diplomatically.

3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]

Beyond that, bickering about most of this is a giant waste of time!

I do believe that the judge will uphold the Nicolau. However, it will be mute when APA and USAPA negotiate a DOH list for the merger.

eaglefly 05-24-2012 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook (Post 1196265)
3. It's pretty darn clear to me that a mutual agreement will not be forthcoming, and binding (by Federal Law) arbitration per McCaskill-Bond will determine our ultimate seniority. The only question seems to be what will be presented to the arbitration panel for US ... the Nicolau list, or the separate East, West, and third-lister lists. Nobody seems to want to say so out loud, but I think everyone (company, West, USAPA, etc.) is waiting for Judge Silver to answer that question, then whichever side loses out can blame the "big, bad Federal Judge" for their screw job. [For the record, I firmly believe that the Nicolau will be the list when Judge Silver is done, based upon my own - extensive - research and reading.]

Well, it was "binding" (by federal law) arbitration that produced the Nicolau seniority list, wasn't it ?

I too think it will likely be the Nicolau list that ultimately represents U pilots when any AA/U SLI occurs.


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