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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1234201)
Agreed. AA is most likely to stagnate at best and contract at worst for the forseeable future. 20 year F/O's will be 25 year F/O's in 5 years.
From Yahoo stocks Delta and United had nearly identical first-quarter revenue of around $8.5 billion American had $6.5 billion Remember American is over 1/3 smaller than Delta and United. AMR has been outpacing the competition for over a QT It will be interesting to see how those numbers come up for the second quarter, I am not certain that AMR has the judge in the bag, taking into account the contract Delta just signed. I hope this TA gets voted down |
Originally Posted by What
(Post 1234238)
AMR is walking a tight rope right now, have to show enough progress to maintain the creditors from supporting US Airways but bad enough to get the contracts they seek. 95 million in quarterly profits, best revenue quarter ever!
From Yahoo stocks Delta and United had nearly identical first-quarter revenue of around $8.5 billion American had $6.5 billion Remember American is over 1/3 smaller than Delta and United. AMR has been outpacing the competition for over a QT It will be interesting to see how those numbers come up for the second quarter, I am not certain that AMR has the judge in the bag, taking into account the contract Delta just signed. I hope this TA gets voted down If the TA fails, I expect the judge to unseal his decision that is already made and it will be for abrogation. Then, I'd expect AMR to have no alternative to come back and try and get deals. They COULD just try and arrogantly rebuild the smaller AA they want to with no pilot contract, but that would freak out the banks that would be lending money for all these aircraft purchases. They'd be as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs about commiting all that capital when the 2nd highest cost structure (labor costs) will likely cahnge in an unknown amount, turning the stand alone plan to dog****. In coming back to get deals, I expect AMR to ther start from the bottom up again (the 1113), hopefully realizing that they'll have to improve beyond the LBFO to realistically get any CBA with duration or the trying the other option (that is even more likely in my book) and that would be for both AMR and the APA to punt and agree to binding arbitration with the LBFO as the litmus. The APA has already thrown that concept out there and while AMR technically didn't agree, they didn't officially reject. That would be one way to take the pesky pilots out of the equation, but whatever the plan, time is running out and whatever path occurs, it will have to be fairly quick. Of course, the pilots could always buckle at the testicles and ratify this flaming turd and that would be that for the next decade. That of course, is what AMR wants and they're pulling out all the stops to make that happpen. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1234200)
As for the TA's chances of passing, I think that's going to be a close one. A lot of pilots are running around looking for places to hide, but a lot aren't. I give it 60/40 whichever way it goes, but right now it's tough to tell which way that will be. For the record, I'm a firm no vote. |
Originally Posted by formerdal
(Post 1234263)
If history is any gauge the TA will likely pass. The bankruptcy contract at Delta had the highest vote in favor of any in the last 15 years, I believe it was 82% in favor of....fear is a powerful thing.
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The difference between Delta's BK TA and ours (AA) is that they were coming down off a huge contract...at that time their FO's were roughly making what our captains were in each respective piece of equipment. So they knew at that time that had a concessionary contract coming. AA on the other hand has had an industry lagging contract since before UA's big jump in 2000. We then sold the farm to stay out of BK in 2003. No contract for 4+ years...and now this piece of crap to put us even further behind our peers? Can you see how we are less than enthused???
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Originally Posted by formerdal
(Post 1234263)
fear is a powerful thing.
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Originally Posted by C17turtle
(Post 1234463)
The difference between Delta's BK TA and ours (AA) is that they were coming down off a huge contract...at that time their FO's were roughly making what our captains were in each respective piece of equipment. So they knew at that time that had a concessionary contract coming. AA on the other hand has had an industry lagging contract since before UA's big jump in 2000. We then sold the farm to stay out of BK in 2003. No contract for 4+ years...and now this piece of crap to put us even further behind our peers? Can you see how we are less than enthused???
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Originally Posted by formerdal
(Post 1234263)
If history is any gauge the TA will likely pass. The bankruptcy contract at Delta had the highest vote in favor of any in the last 15 years, I believe it was 82% in favor of....fear is a powerful thing.
23JUL12/1315 TO: ALL FLIGHT ATTENDANTS RE: CANCELLATION OF OLOA EFFECTIVE AUGUST 14, 2012 . EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE COMPANY OFFERED VOLUNTARY LEAVES TO FA‡S IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID FA FURLOUGHS AS A RESULT OF SCHEDULE REDUCTIONS. AS WE CONSIDER OUR SCHEDULING NEEDS FOR THE FALL MONTHS, WE HAVE MORE LIMITED CREW FLEXIBILITY THAN WE BELIEVE IS PRUDENT. TO ENSURE WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE OUR CUSTOMERS RELIABLE SERVICE, WE HAVE DECIDED TO CANCEL OVERAGE LEAVES EFF. AUGUST 14, 2012. FA‡S CURRENTLY ON OVERAGE LEAVE HAVE BEEN ADVISED VIA CERTIFIED MAIL THAT THEIR LEAVE HAS BEEN CANCELLED AND WILL BE REQUIRED TO RETURN TO ACTIVE DUTY EFFECTIVE AUG 15, 2012 American Airlines cancels overage leaves for flight attendants as of Aug. 15 | Airline Biz Blog So AMR is reporting "profits", outpacing the competition in revenue growth, generating revenue almost as high as the big 2 all while being smaller, recalling FA after threatening with 2,300 layoff. The FA will not complete voting until Oct 19th, well past the deadline imposed by the judge, odds are he will delay his ruling further. |
The only thing I can think of when I hear mgt use the phrase, "Last Best Final Offer", is an impotent mother wagging her finger at her unruly, undisciplined child while counting to three. Not saying the pilot group is unruly or anything, just that the company seems to be touting this thing in hopes of striking fear in all of APA. I say stand strong and vote NO!
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