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Originally Posted by Rider850 (Post 1236554)

furlough recalls did not happen. Matter of fact Bates at STL circus told a furloughed pilot to look elsewhere for work.

Yep. Aside from a couple of flows and POSSIBLY a deferral or two, you're correct.

Sad, sad, sad, Looks like management will win, and have managed to throw enuf scraps from their table to satisfy agroup of pilots who have decided to fold their tent and. Take what they can. I get it. Starting over at 50 suks!! Not good, but I get it. Glad I didn't,tbhold my breath, but I did still a have a glimmer of hope. Even after the lost decade. Shame on me. Good luck everyone.

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Originally Posted by What (Post 1234083)

• The max number of regional small jets with greater than 30 seats, up to and including 65 seats cannot exceed 35% of the total mainline narrowbody fleet count. (See note below.)

• The max number of regional small jets with greater than 65 seats, up to and including 79 seats cannot exceed the following percentages of the total mainline narrowbody fleet count in the years indicated:

o 2012-2014: 25%
o 2015: 30%
o 2016 and beyond: 40%

• Note: The number of regional small jets with 31-65 seats may exceed 35% of the mainline narrowbody fleet count, provided the total number of regional jets does not exceed 75% of the mainline narrowbody fleet count.

Turboprops with less than 50 seats will not count toward the limits listed above. However, turboprops with less than 50 seats operated on behalf of American Airlines cannot exceed 10% of the mainline narrowbody fleet count.

So much for all those retirements creating jobs. Bring on the pilot shortage!:rolleyes:

AA pilots, please, for our sake and your own, vote NO!

What is in the TA that would make someone vote yes? Honest question here. Usually there is some bone thrown to the majority of the group that will vote this in but I haven't seen it.

TC

I voted NO. I'm getting mixed thoughts from guys. I think it's going to be close.

Short-term pain is infinitely preferable to a 6 year death march, which is what the TA represents. It is a vile POS.

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Originally Posted by ForeverFO (Post 1237895)

I voted NO. I'm getting mixed thoughts from guys. I think it's going to be close.

Short-term pain is infinitely preferable to a 6 year death march, which is what the TA represents. It is a vile POS.

Actually, considering how AMR has dragged its feet in the past during negotiations when it suited their interests, this contract could go 10 years or more. I too think the vote will be fairly close, but haven't written off the pilot group yet. Hoping for it to fail.

What scares me are the number of guys who actually look at it and go "Well, at least there's a little raise in there." I have to say "Are you bagging me? If you read the thing, and calculate the wages lost in the fine print minutia, work rules, especially health care, it's a MAJOR pay cut on top of what we gave back in 2003."

When does the vote close?

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1237983)

When does the vote close?

8th @ Noon is my understanding, with the results being revealed shortly after, the TWU will finish the night before and the FA will on the 19th.