From the American Airlines VP Ops/Chief Pilot
08-05-2012, 09:07 AM
#21
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If this TA fails it will again demonstrate to all that AMR is unable to work with their labor groups and this does not benefit the creditors moving forward. When one considers the pilots got a deal with Parker in just 10 days and AMR cannot force or threaten their way forward, this will likely be a MAJOR obstacle to producing the best plan for AA's future and is likely to improve Parker's chances of stripping the ball from Horton. I've heard that the current deal with Parker may be improved and that would only make AMR even more questionable, especially if not just the pilots reject their TA's.
Sure is getting interesting in the home stretch.
Sure is getting interesting in the home stretch.
08-06-2012, 04:50 PM
#23
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Hi my American brothers and sisters. I am a twice fookloughed United guy. I have to agree with many of your assessments. Don't sign on for this crap. Make them take it from you via the bankruptcy process. Otherwise, it will be the same thing that happened to us. We gave and gave, hoping to stave off BK. But you know what happened. We BK'ed anyway after 2 concessions. In effect, all we did was give management a lower bar for them to knock us down from in BK.
Good luck. Sincerely hope you guys come out of this better than we did. Nobody should have to go through what we did (a lot of it, we did to ourselves).
-TJ
Good luck. Sincerely hope you guys come out of this better than we did. Nobody should have to go through what we did (a lot of it, we did to ourselves).
-TJ
08-06-2012, 07:43 PM
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This just in!!!!! Holly Hegeman of Plane Business Banter says American Airlines Pilots should all vote YES to managments last best final offer.
So that's it. I mean she would know right?
She was a receptionist or a speech writer for Bob Crandall. She left AMR in 1997.
Seriously, a receptionist knows more about what work rules for an airline pilot should be than say an, airline pilot?
So my 23.5% pay cut and work rules given up in 2003 to save AA from bankruptcy wasn't enough. So now Ms Hegeman beleives I should give up scope to American Eagle and unlimited code share to Jet Blue, Alaska and Hawaiian Air.
I VOTED NO!!!
I SUGGEST ALL PILOTS BOYCOTT PLANE BUSINESS BANTER
So that's it. I mean she would know right?
She was a receptionist or a speech writer for Bob Crandall. She left AMR in 1997.
Seriously, a receptionist knows more about what work rules for an airline pilot should be than say an, airline pilot?
So my 23.5% pay cut and work rules given up in 2003 to save AA from bankruptcy wasn't enough. So now Ms Hegeman beleives I should give up scope to American Eagle and unlimited code share to Jet Blue, Alaska and Hawaiian Air.
I VOTED NO!!!
I SUGGEST ALL PILOTS BOYCOTT PLANE BUSINESS BANTER
08-06-2012, 07:44 PM
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Can the AA pilots just walk/strike if the 1113 items are issued? Why cant they just walk and shut things down until MGT sits down seriously?
F*#k MGT, HORTON, OBAMA, THE JUDGE and anyone else who gets in the way.
Its time for some REAL radical union action. NO MORE $$ FOR MGT, SHUT IT DOWN. AA MGT only will respond to you if it hurts the bottom line. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
It takes GUTS to get what you want in life. Its time to get up from under the circumstances, and rise up to FIGHT for what you believe.
VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F*#k MGT, HORTON, OBAMA, THE JUDGE and anyone else who gets in the way.
Its time for some REAL radical union action. NO MORE $$ FOR MGT, SHUT IT DOWN. AA MGT only will respond to you if it hurts the bottom line. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
It takes GUTS to get what you want in life. Its time to get up from under the circumstances, and rise up to FIGHT for what you believe.
VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08-06-2012, 08:16 PM
#26
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
This just in!!!!! Holly Hegeman of Plane Business Banter says American Airlines Pilots should all vote YES to managments last best final offer.
So that's it. I mean she would know right?
She was a receptionist or a speech writer for Bob Crandall. She left AMR in 1997.
Seriously, a receptionist knows more about what work rules for an airline pilot should be than say an, airline pilot?
So my 23.5% pay cut and work rules given up in 2003 to save AA from bankruptcy wasn't enough. So now Ms Hegeman beleives I should give up scope to American Eagle and unlimited code share to Jet Blue, Alaska and Hawaiian Air.
I VOTED NO!!!
I SUGGEST ALL PILOTS BOYCOTT PLANE BUSINESS BANTER
So that's it. I mean she would know right?
She was a receptionist or a speech writer for Bob Crandall. She left AMR in 1997.
Seriously, a receptionist knows more about what work rules for an airline pilot should be than say an, airline pilot?
So my 23.5% pay cut and work rules given up in 2003 to save AA from bankruptcy wasn't enough. So now Ms Hegeman beleives I should give up scope to American Eagle and unlimited code share to Jet Blue, Alaska and Hawaiian Air.
I VOTED NO!!!
I SUGGEST ALL PILOTS BOYCOTT PLANE BUSINESS BANTER
Actually it does not give scope relief for american eagle, it gives scope relief for any feeder aa decides to contract out to.
08-07-2012, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
This just in!!!!! Holly Hegeman of Plane Business Banter says American Airlines Pilots should all vote YES to managments last best final offer.
So that's it. I mean she would know right?
She was a receptionist or a speech writer for Bob Crandall. She left AMR in 1997.
Seriously, a receptionist knows more about what work rules for an airline pilot should be than say an, airline pilot?
So my 23.5% pay cut and work rules given up in 2003 to save AA from bankruptcy wasn't enough. So now Ms Hegeman beleives I should give up scope to American Eagle and unlimited code share to Jet Blue, Alaska and Hawaiian Air.
I VOTED NO!!!
I SUGGEST ALL PILOTS BOYCOTT PLANE BUSINESS BANTER
So that's it. I mean she would know right?
She was a receptionist or a speech writer for Bob Crandall. She left AMR in 1997.
Seriously, a receptionist knows more about what work rules for an airline pilot should be than say an, airline pilot?
So my 23.5% pay cut and work rules given up in 2003 to save AA from bankruptcy wasn't enough. So now Ms Hegeman beleives I should give up scope to American Eagle and unlimited code share to Jet Blue, Alaska and Hawaiian Air.
I VOTED NO!!!
I SUGGEST ALL PILOTS BOYCOTT PLANE BUSINESS BANTER
08-07-2012, 04:52 AM
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Pilots are very easily manipulated as a group. This thing will probably pass 60-40, and the American pilots will be the lowest paid pilots for years. It is what it is. Message boards are usually a select group of individuals.
08-07-2012, 05:02 AM
#30
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There is Zero and I mean Zero reasons for anyone to Vote YES for that POS...
You are just screwing yourselves by voting Yes..
Vote NO and wait and see UAL's agreement first before you hand away all your scope to Code shares and Eagle...
Tell your Scumbag management where they can stick their LBFO.
Fly as Safe as you Can......
You are just screwing yourselves by voting Yes..
Vote NO and wait and see UAL's agreement first before you hand away all your scope to Code shares and Eagle...
Tell your Scumbag management where they can stick their LBFO.
Fly as Safe as you Can......
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