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MaxPowerSet 08-08-2012 05:39 PM

Nicely done, AA pilots! From everything I've read, it sounds like you learned from other airlines like United who thought voting yes would lessen the blow that management had planned on dealing anyway. This way, any imposed agreement only lasts until you exit bankruptcy, not 6-10 years.

I do have a question for someone who knows the RLA. If the judge abrogates the contract, do the pilots of AA not have the right to withdraw their services in the form of a strike? Otherwise, it starts to sound a lot like slavery to me. If someone tells me that they're not going to pay me a fair wage and I have no choice but to show up and fly my trip, how is that not a form of slavery? I know the individual can resign, but could the pilot group as a whole give the company the finger?

eaglefly 08-08-2012 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by HUD Cripple (Post 1242349)
As a member of the most limp d**ked group of pilots in the country, I'd like to say thank you to all of the AA pilots that voted "No". Makes me proud to think there are still some pilots that have spines.

Really had no choice. Even the union admitted during the road shows it was punitive and a gross "over-reaching". It will be interesting to see how then plan develops from here on out, but I see little hope for AA unless something dramatic alters the present suicidal course.

No major corporation can expect to be viable, let alone competitive with a well of acid as their most critical employees. Only a true megalomaniac would think they could force that to work.

lobsterexplosun 08-08-2012 05:43 PM

Thanks AA. I respect your pilot group for standing up and doing what was right for our profession, families and passengers. Maybe this is the high water mark of unethical and immoral CEO compensation/robbery and your no vote the beginning of a fair return to the people actually do the work. Best of luck. --a regional pilot

blakman7 08-08-2012 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by 7576FO (Post 1242193)
Do you fly for AA? Did you read the LBFO? Do you have a United States passport? Get out of my country if you cannot fight a battle!

We read it, we understand choosing our battles carefully. We voted NO for us, and for the profession.

People like you make me sick. We the pilots of AA took a 23.5% pay cut and lost lots of work rules and benefits to keep AA out of BK then. Turns out it was BS.
AA has $6.5 B this was a BK out of convienience to gut the employee union contracts.
7576FO

:D Awesome! Stay strong my friend!

Cactusone 08-08-2012 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by HUD Cripple (Post 1242349)
As a member of the most limp d**ked group of pilots in the country, I'd like to say thank you to all of the AA pilots that voted "No". Makes me proud to think there are still some pilots that have spines.

You must be US Air east? lol Good job AA I hope it works out in the end.

HUD Cripple 08-08-2012 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Cactusone (Post 1242423)
You must be US Air east? lol Good job AA I hope it works out in the end.

Ha... ok, 2nd most. :D

LuvJockey 08-08-2012 08:15 PM

That's a pretty healthy margin against it too. I've had a few AA guys in the jumpseat lately and they've been ready to go to the mat. Lots of respect for APA tonight.

450knotOffice 08-08-2012 09:23 PM

Good job to all of you.

B757200ER 08-08-2012 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 1242163)
They ain't gonna impose the 1113. They know that the wheels will fall off with an 1113 and we will go the way of Eastern.

My guess is an LBFO-style agreement tweaked a little if the judge abrogates. If he DOESN'T abrogate - we will get something better than the LBFO. To which I will continue voting NO on unless we get in the vicinity of DAL/UAL plus better scope.

Don't be so sure; it could easily happen. Of course, then no AA pilots will show up for work, right?

Horton/Hale & Co. may not have been bluffing when they said it was an LBFO...they might be done negotiating.

Time will tell, I guess.

avi8tor4life 08-08-2012 10:49 PM

Way to go AA pilots.


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