AA pilots vote to reject TA 61% NO to 31% Yes
 

I voted NO it was a concessionary contract.
7576FO

You beat me to it Chris!

PROUD of my AA Pilot Group! Fights On!

73
NO Voter

Nicely done, gentlemen!

nicely done guys.
thanks. this vote will benefit both AA pilots and all other airline pilots.

It's Official...
 

"APA MEMBERS REJECT TENTATIVE AGREEMENT: Shortly after voting ended at noon Central Daylight Time today, Ballot Point certified the following results in the tentative agreement vote: 2,935 pilots voted for the tentative agreement, and 4,600 pilots voted against the tentative agreement. Therefore, the tentative agreement is rejected."

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/...agreement.aspx

Great job guys. Good luck moving forward.

Nice job folks. Glad you took a stand!

Especially after this.


Key revenue measure rises at American Airlines - Yahoo! Finance

Horton Has a Headache!

Outstanding! Nicely done AMR pilots

Excellent guys/girls. I think you made the best decision.


Kinda scary that 2935 still voted for though.:confused:

Nice work!
So now what? TA 2.0 and finish voting the same time as the FA vote closes?

Great job taking a stand AA pilots!

Thank you from the RJ FO's.

Beers on me.

That's due to the weak-Richards that make up ORD and DFW. Don't lump the rest of us in with them. I think they are all curled up in the corner in a fetal position sucking their thumbs right about now.

Domicile In favor Percent Against Percent
Boston 85 37% 141 62%
Washington D.C. 76 34% 146 66%
Dallas/Fort Worth 937 51% 913 49%
Los Angeles 228 28% 590 72%
New York 301 23% 1005 77%
Miami 533 35% 1002 65%
Chicago 626 59% 439 41%
St. Louis 149 29% 364 72%

Now what? Judge rejects the contract. AA imposes the original term sheet, without the pay, scope, and BK claim improvements from the TA. Beyond that is anybody's guess. I really doubt AA will come back to the table.

Not saying this was the wrong vote ... if I were an AA-er, not sure how I would have voted. However, this is definitely the path with more questions than answers ...

They ain't gonna impose the 1113. They know that the wheels will fall off with an 1113 and we will go the way of Eastern.

My guess is an LBFO-style agreement tweaked a little if the judge abrogates.

If he DOESN'T abrogate - we will get something better than the LBFO. To which I will continue voting NO on unless we get in the vicinity of DAL/UAL plus better scope.

Although I admire your courage guys; however, sometimes you have to choose your battles carefully. Sometimes you have to take what you can and fight the other day. I'm sorry, but I think you just gave AMR more ammunition to weaken your troops.

Do you fly for AA? Did you read the LBFO? Do you have a United States passport? Get out of my country if you cannot fight a battle!

We read it, we understand choosing our battles carefully. We voted NO for us, and for the profession.

People like you make me sick. We the pilots of AA took a 23.5% pay cut and lost lots of work rules and benefits to keep AA out of BK then. Turns out it was BS.
AA has $6.5 B this was a BK out of convienience to gut the employee union contracts.
7576FO

I thought AA had more active pilots than that.

Who the hell are you? I really hope you work for a regional and keep working for a regional indefinitely. We don't need your type at mainline. Thank you American pilots. I don't know what's going to happen now, but I think the odds are pretty good that your future will be better than it would have been if you voted in that piece of crap.

It's highly likely that AMR will give a better deal to the pilot group rather than go to the judge. The 1113(c) process is very likely to be won by APA.

From another RJ FO thank you AMR pilots for showing some serious backbone in turbulent times.

As long as you don't voluntarily give anything up (by voting in something), you have a right to keep fighting. If anything is taken from you, you can fight for it back. If you vote it away, it's gone forever.

Just a quick thank you from your frendly neighborhood CAL pilot. Very nice. You guys really showed what a pilot group with a backbone looks like. You didn't cave on SCOPE like those DAL wusses. They certainly have made life miserable for our negotiations. Thanks again to APA pilots holding strong!!

Thanks guys! It was a 6 year duration for the TA. The way AA negotiates, it'd been a 10 year contract.

Our contract was amenable May 2008. AA opened early on us in Sept 2006. We had been negotiating since 2006!

Many of us would have retired under this concessionary TA in the next 10 years.

AA73, Eaglefly and myself and others here, were outspoken NO voters.

To have voted in this concessionary contract would have been bad for EVERYONE!

Congrats on voting down that POS....

I'm glad to see a Pilot group with some ball's..

You management Sucks.....DELETED ACL65PILOT

Congratz to the AA pilots, from a beat down US pilot...I wish our guys had the BRASS cojones that your group has displayed. Beers on me if we cross paths. Fight the good fight..

Yep, we've been living with our UAL BK contract for 9 years+. It's great to see a pilot group with some self-respect and the balls to say hell no to the BS that AMR was trying to sell you.

I take it that YOU would have accepted any POS TA just to keep your job??
Had you been on the property, you probably would have voted for LOA 93!!....pathetic..

+1...pathetic!! That guy probably sits to take a wizz...

It looks like the AA pilots have the stones the DAL pilots did not.

A pilot group actually sacked up!? [cheers!]

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Well done on this vote. Looks like only two domiciles voted for it.

"Only two pilot bases voted in favor of a proposed agreement with American Airlines, including Dallas/Fort Worth.

Here is a break down of how the different pilot bases voted.

Domicile
DFW for 51% against 49%
ORD for 59% against 41%"


Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...#storylink=cpy

38% of us DAL guys have stones. AA's are just bigger:D

And it's interesting how the breakdown on the base vote isn't "classified information" kept from the AA pilots like it is at DAL.

Nu

It would be interesting to see the seniority of the guys who voted yes.

4,600 voted no = 61%
2,900 voted yes = 31%
600 didn't vote = 8%

Total 8,100

Well done guys!

de leted.. too much testosterone in here

As a member of the most limp d**ked group of pilots in the country, I'd like to say thank you to all of the AA pilots that voted "No". Makes me proud to think there are still some pilots that have spines.