AA pilots vote to reject TA 61% NO to 31% Yes
08-08-2012 | 05:39 PM
#41
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Nicely done, AA pilots! From everything I've read, it sounds like you learned from other airlines like United who thought voting yes would lessen the blow that management had planned on dealing anyway. This way, any imposed agreement only lasts until you exit bankruptcy, not 6-10 years.
I do have a question for someone who knows the RLA. If the judge abrogates the contract, do the pilots of AA not have the right to withdraw their services in the form of a strike? Otherwise, it starts to sound a lot like slavery to me. If someone tells me that they're not going to pay me a fair wage and I have no choice but to show up and fly my trip, how is that not a form of slavery? I know the individual can resign, but could the pilot group as a whole give the company the finger?
I do have a question for someone who knows the RLA. If the judge abrogates the contract, do the pilots of AA not have the right to withdraw their services in the form of a strike? Otherwise, it starts to sound a lot like slavery to me. If someone tells me that they're not going to pay me a fair wage and I have no choice but to show up and fly my trip, how is that not a form of slavery? I know the individual can resign, but could the pilot group as a whole give the company the finger?
08-08-2012 | 05:41 PM
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No major corporation can expect to be viable, let alone competitive with a well of acid as their most critical employees. Only a true megalomaniac would think they could force that to work.
08-08-2012 | 05:43 PM
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Thanks AA. I respect your pilot group for standing up and doing what was right for our profession, families and passengers. Maybe this is the high water mark of unethical and immoral CEO compensation/robbery and your no vote the beginning of a fair return to the people actually do the work. Best of luck. --a regional pilot
08-08-2012 | 05:58 PM
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Do you fly for AA? Did you read the LBFO? Do you have a United States passport? Get out of my country if you cannot fight a battle!
We read it, we understand choosing our battles carefully. We voted NO for us, and for the profession.
People like you make me sick. We the pilots of AA took a 23.5% pay cut and lost lots of work rules and benefits to keep AA out of BK then. Turns out it was BS.
AA has $6.5 B this was a BK out of convienience to gut the employee union contracts.
7576FO
We read it, we understand choosing our battles carefully. We voted NO for us, and for the profession.
People like you make me sick. We the pilots of AA took a 23.5% pay cut and lost lots of work rules and benefits to keep AA out of BK then. Turns out it was BS.
AA has $6.5 B this was a BK out of convienience to gut the employee union contracts.
7576FO
Awesome! Stay strong my friend!
08-08-2012 | 06:27 PM
#45
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You must be US Air east? lol Good job AA I hope it works out in the end.
08-08-2012 | 09:57 PM
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They ain't gonna impose the 1113. They know that the wheels will fall off with an 1113 and we will go the way of Eastern.
My guess is an LBFO-style agreement tweaked a little if the judge abrogates. If he DOESN'T abrogate - we will get something better than the LBFO. To which I will continue voting NO on unless we get in the vicinity of DAL/UAL plus better scope.
My guess is an LBFO-style agreement tweaked a little if the judge abrogates. If he DOESN'T abrogate - we will get something better than the LBFO. To which I will continue voting NO on unless we get in the vicinity of DAL/UAL plus better scope.
Horton/Hale & Co. may not have been bluffing when they said it was an LBFO...they might be done negotiating.
Time will tell, I guess.
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