AA pilots vote to reject TA 61% NO to 31% Yes
08-09-2012 | 11:30 AM
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I do think this will be good for the AA pilots. Management, be it Horton or anyone else, will have to bring more to the table at some point.
08-09-2012 | 01:31 PM
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The general consensus is that he did the honorable thing by resigning. He knew it wouldn't serve the best interests of the pilots by staying after heavily promoting the LBFO, so he resigned. Showed a touch of class, although I',m sure he was under a lot of pressure from the BOD.
New APA Interim President, F/O Keith Wilson. Smart guy, tended to be concessionary in the past... with all this unity behind him, I'm hoping he fights the good fight.
08-09-2012 | 01:41 PM
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To be honest they don't have the same synergies or economies of scale as their larger counterparts. DAL and UAL will always have about a 10% boost on American. APA can demand more (and rightly should) but it won't come easy.
I know pilots will hate me for saying this, but it's the truth. If American pilots demand the same pay as DAL/UAL, it puts AMR at a disadvantage.
I know pilots will hate me for saying this, but it's the truth. If American pilots demand the same pay as DAL/UAL, it puts AMR at a disadvantage.
08-09-2012 | 02:36 PM
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Under your premise above, I guess having both sides locked up in a Centerport Conference Room having a "C.J." would constitute "negotiating"? I would hope that mediated/supervised/BK monitored talks WERE found to be that of "Good Faith", as opposed to the 'monkey motion' that UCH's Mgt has orchestrated during our talks.
Either way, congrats on a strong showing by way of the recent APA vote. The CAL/UAL Pilots are behind you all on the stand.
08-09-2012 | 02:36 PM
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I don't believe it is the same job. If it was, it would just as easy to get hired at Delta/United as Virgin America.
Probably not. I'm sure the pay varies by how successful the business they work for is. Personally, I think this example contradicts your argument.
Unions love to say this, but it simply isn't true. If all the companies had to pay the exact same for pilots, Delta/United (and maybe SW) would be raking it in. After a while they would get so fat that they would start to move deeper into competitors' hubs and bleed them dry.
Unions love to say this, but it simply isn't true. If all the companies had to pay the exact same for pilots, Delta/United (and maybe SW) would be raking it in. After a while they would get so fat that they would start to move deeper into competitors' hubs and bleed them dry.
08-09-2012 | 03:16 PM
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Who do you work for? 38% voted no. I've been on strike, voted no for every concession since 2004 at NWA. Sad part is that our contract is the best out there outside of luv, fdx and ups. Unless you are there, I suggest a big dose of **** until your group can do better. Negotiating a contract against the garbage that lcc, ual and cal have was not easy.
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08-09-2012 | 03:19 PM
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08-09-2012 | 05:05 PM
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From: right for a long, long time
Reducing outsourcing by 15-25%, increasing pay by double digits, improving retirement benefits, decreasing contract medical plan costs by 19% while increasing benefits, improving work rules, improving LTD and sick policies, getting a short duration, getting it done 7 months early and NOT waiting 1-5 years with zero gains.......
How pathetic and lacking in "professionalism".
AMR overreached on their gutting of APA and it backfired big time in round one.... we shall see who wins round 2.... Hope APA is on the winning side every round, I think AMR will have a very tough time getting the judge to gut the CBA that much, too many examples of "smaller" givebacks in BK for AMR to get carte blanche.
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