They can't stop negotiating, it's a condition of the bankruptcy process and required by law. AMR management is acting improperly during this 1113(c) process, and they will lose it if they keep it up.

 

Great job AA pilots. I wish DALPA had your backbone.

 

To those of you from other airlines, thank you for the support!

We still have a long way to go and the road only gets steeper. Undoubtedly, we are looking at a scenario where there will be the most dire of threats will be made by the company and pilots fired (hostages, or as known at AA, "dead cats"). I pray the group can take the heat and not cave before we get the results we desire.

For those of you that don't know about the company's "offer", to put it briefly, it was not only punitive, but was an incredibly overreach/land grab. There were significant sections of the contract such as our reserve system that were reduced to one sentence. i.e. "The reserve system will be replaced by a reserve optimization system". Whatever that means. In other words, much of the contract would have been a dream "fill in the blank" contract for management to exploit for 6-10 years.

Onerous work rules and the new C-scale for the 319 would have meant that the pilots of AA would only be dragging down everyone else in the long run. Imagine, we could merge with a "discount airline", and their pilots would be taking a significant pay CUT!

I am hoping that APA has made a sharp turn from a political organization to good old fashioned organized labor. This path of capitulation has to end yesterday. A once proud career has become a job. We need to turn the ship around.

Your continued support is appreciated. At some point, you may be asked to do something to show your support for our fight. Remember, you will be helping raise the bar for the profession and will also be helping yourself in the long run.

 

I find it extremely interesting that anyone would even attempt to put this BK TA and the DAL contract on the same level. They're apples to oranges. DAL pilots weren't voting on a 6 year deal (try 1/3 of that) that included massive reductions in sick time, work rules, & scope.

 

Good for you AA pilots. You should be proud.

Cactusone, take your worn out crap to a new thread. You, the west, would be the last pilot group to take a stand.

 

The Northwest flight attendants are the only group to ever push it that far.

Here's the answer they got:

We hold that Section 2 (First) of the Railway Labor Act forbids an immediate strike when a bankruptcy court approves a debtor-carrier's rejection of a collective-bargaining agreement that is subject to the Railway Labor Act and permits it to impose new terms.


Here's the entire ruling if you're interested:

IN RE: NORTHWEST AIRLINES CORPORATION, Docket Nos.

 

Another RJ guy here saying thanks. Well done!

 

I'm a DFW guy, voted NO, and I'm ecstatic. Remember, DFW is hyper-senior... even the FO's are old, and many of them simply wanted another 5 or 8 years to sail into retirement without a lot of stress and angst.

Screw that noise. I'll be damned if I go quietly into the night while AMR is rolling in cash and lining their pockets.

Worst case scenario... well, the line ops will devolve into chaos, killing revenue, and oh yes, I think a large number of pilots might become "depressed", requiring a year or three being grounded on Prozac at a minimum.

 

I agree this has nothing to do with Delta's contract, this is about management's abuse of the bankruptcy system to exploit pilots and the unions that submit to it.

 

Not true, the Mesaba pilots had their contract rejected and were barred from striking.