tsquare

Huge WIN? Really?

Mesabah

Yes it is; It's the start of a real union working together.

galaxy flyer

Before it's a huge win, might wait for the final ruling after AMR makes the judge's requested changes. IF the judge allows his RJ comments to stand, it might be a huge loss.

GF

Mesabah

Not so, in the Mile Hi Steel corp bankruptcy case, the bankruptcy judge abrogated their entire scope contract, however that decision was overturned in the court of appeals. A bankruptcy judge does not have the power to allow management to deny union representation to a certain part of the labor force(outsourcing of RJs). That power lies only with the pilots of AA or Congress to change the law. Since bankruptcy is a very complicated area of law practice, bankruptcy judges are not fully aware of their power in respect to other areas of the law.

Another thing to consider is that if AMR is granted the power to fly 88 seats by judge Lane, they can only fly them during the bankruptcy and must park them after AMR emerges. So obviously, AMR will not operate any new RJ's until the APA pilots allow them to with a specific scope carve out.

sailingfun

I am not sure if your mocking the American pilots or what. I would however suggest you at least read the judges ruling. Its a slam dunk win for management in almost every aspect. The ruling is available online. Its a very ugly day for the American pilots and all pilots and your mockery is not required or desired.

sailingfun

You should also read the ruling.

hockeypilot44

Whatever happens, I respect the American pilots. They are picking a different route then everyone else took. I really hope it works out for them and our profession. It seems to me, they are doing everything they can to protect what they have.

Mesabah

I read it, and this line was particularly interesting:
Specifically, smaller regional jets of 50 seats or less are not fuel efficient and are no longer manufactured due to a lack of commercial viability. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 56–57; Glass Decl. ¶73; Trial Tr. 88:13–
89:14, May 21, 2012 (Kasper)). Additionally, these smaller regional jets have a much more
limited range and cannot be used for certain city-pairs that could be served by larger regional
jets. (Newgren Decl. ¶ 56). Smaller regional jets also cannot be configured to offer the type of
two-class service that generally attracts the “high value” customers that Delta seeks.

aa73

In a nutshell: we have elected to stand up to management's (and previous managements) "carte blanche" to totally decimate every facet of pilot contracts using the BK trump card.

So far, we have won a couple of victories. We are under no illusions whatsoever that the court almost always favors management in BK cases. This will probably happen to us as well. But at least we are fighting and delaying it as much as we can - UNLIKE almost every other pilot group before us, who all took negotiated deals. Sorry, but our negotiated deal was a death sentence.

At least now, if they abrogate our contract, yes we end up with a crappier deal SHORT TERM but we go right back in to negotiating for an industry leading contract the minute they exit BK or merge.

As opposed to voting Yes on the industry's WORST most concessionary contract ever locked in for 10 years. Almost everyone saw how overreaching it was.

For those of you who thought we should have voted Yes, it begs the question: How bad does a TA have to be in order for you to vote No? For some of you, it's an irrelevant question: your answer would be, "It doesn't matter, you are in BK, you HAVE to take whatever deal they give you."

The above sentence, my friends, is why this profession is in the toilet.

We just took a stand against that.

Signed, a proud AA Pilot
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alfaromeo

Where did you find it?