How is the operation running?
 

Just wondering how the metal is moving over there.

A bit sluggish...4 canx today at DFW for lack of crews. Many delays and canx this week.

16 flights canx in MIA today for lack of crews.

Did u see what the company is imposing? I dont blame AA pilots

Withholding of enthusiasm is not a job action. Neither is taking time off if one is unfit to fly. It is hard to run an operation when you crap all over your frontline employees. But what did they expect? Leadership starts at the top and they've removed every incentive to perform. Hopefully the creditors will tube the current mgmt when they see the wheels come off.

Of course not. Just wandering how the lack of "enthusiasm" is affecting things. That Horton is a piece of work, unbelievable that he ucc is allowing him to run that place.

The term sheet is being implemented as we speak.

And as always, the way to go is follow the FAR's to the letter, as well as company rules... like giving T-storms 20 nm space, thorough pre-flights, conscientious write-ups, economical taxi and flight speeds, meticulous check list procedures, no-fault go-arounds, etc etc etc.

Of course, fatigue is a hot-button topic w/NASA and the FAA. Got to wathc those mental health issues too. And it's a good time to finally get that carpal tunnel surgery.

Which parts of the term sheet are the management putting into effect? Are they using your very first term sheet, or the offer that was voted down most recently?

Remember to always run the IMSAFE checklist. Are you prepared mentally? Feeling stressed due to BK? Emotionally unstable?

IMSAFE...........

About 80% of the initial term sheet and 20% of the "LBFO."

Pretty ugly, but we who voted No expected the full term sheet. It's gonna be ugly for a short while but I fully expect we will eventually end up with an ILC.

They are about to implement "overfly shall be cancelled by underfly" policy. Gee, wonder how pilots will get around that? ;) My understanding is that NWA tried that and their pilots started "BOB" (Block Or Better) and management stopped it shortly thereafter.

Well ya know sometimes you have to double check that flight plan. Especially on those RNAV departures. You don't want to cause a potential mid air collision. Safety first.

It continues to amaze me how management continues to assume we'll start sucking our thumbs, crying quietly, and simply crawl back into our little cockpits, flying as usual under those horrendous terms. "Guys, we lost. The judge said so. Let's just give up and be thankful."

The money lost in the upcoming months by AMR would go a long way towards paying for a decent contract. But they'd rather see us suffer. Instead of negotiating after the NO vote, what we are seeing is simply punishment.

Instead of DIRECT anywhere, just request "FLIGHT PLAN ROUTE"!;)

How's the operation running? With the help of make up flyers...

Disgraceful.

Here in DFW the operation seems to be orange. Accurate?

I've been averaging maybe 66 hours a month for over a decade. In 20 years I have not taken a single make-up trip. Not one. I fly my line, usually less than my line.

But yeah there are make-up guys. I cannot condemn them all, because each and every one has a different motivation. I know one guy whose wife is terminal AND he's taking care of his aging (and incoherent/alzheimer) mother. The guy needs the $$. Many examples of life situations where there is little other option.

But those that are still doing it because they need the bux for their new boat payment - pi$$ off to you.

One of the problems we'll face is the inevitable, shrill "STATUS QUO! STATUS QUO!" that will come from management in federal court. I'm still baffled at how judges think they can force guys to fly overtime. Last I heard, slavery was abolished in the USA.

And NWA took the MEC to court for a cease and desist and lost because the MEC had taken great pains to tell pilots not to do anything unprofessional. They also got lucky. Both AMR and UAL have lost on that count before. Also in NWA's case it had more to do with a ridiculously draconian SL policy together with a even more ridiculously unrealistic staffing formula that left the operation running at redline with no flex. Recall the fix was to change the SL policy.

For you lawyer types,

The burden of proof rests with the company to show a work slowdown is taking place? It seems that as long as the union isn't involved in any way, it would be hard to find them quilty of same.

Best of luck,

Rolf

I completely agree and your opinion would seem to encourage rational behavior. Sadly,however, given the U.S. corporate culture, the RLA, and by judging what happened when the USAirways pilots lost "enthusiasm", the creditors will most likely give Horton an "attaboy!" The courts will back Horton and punish labor and no one in either our government or our citizenry will see the need for change.

This is not a rhetorical question. Haven't these tactics on the part of airline management been completely successful in the past? Is there anything else left to do, legally, except walk away from the profession or take what management offers? Are these management teams significantly different from Lorenzo and Icahn?

You are kidding right? Comparing a blatant job action by a scab union and this is apples and oranges.

American Airlines has had the second most cancelled flights of any airline in the world for the last 3 days, including today. We are already #3 for tomorrow. Here's the link:

FlightAware

#2 now, behind Korean, who is apparently dealing with a Typhoon at their hub today.

I don't see how a judge can "punish" the pilots any more than he already has. They don't have a contract any more, and work to FAR's. If he levies fines against the APA, it wouldn't surprise me to see them dissolve the union and just go free agent until things blow over. It's not like they can send the Sheriff over to every pilots house and lead them to work in handcuffs.

Whatever the cause, poor operational performance will force the hand of the creditors. What they decide to do remains to be seen, but I'd think a merger would provide more value than a fire sale.

Can you PLEASE put your aside utter contempt for USairways pilots for ONE thread? Must you co-opt EVERY post ? Can we EVER have a discussion about labor unions without your vitriolic rants towards the East? I brought up the USAirways incident because I believe that the courts could rule in the same manner. If you disagree, do so like an adult and list the LEGAL aspects that are different- without your usual derogatory , childish, inappropriate, inaccurate, name calling. Do you ever get sick of writing the same old stuff? Don't you realize that at some point you start to get diminishing returns?
The success of the American pilots requires careful consideration of successes/failures of the past.

To which the APA guys should correctly point out: "There is no status Quo" We have never been in this situation before and so by definition there can be no status quo.

Good luck APA!

Scoop

No, yes, no. The usairways court situation has nothing to do with the American situation legally. For one the east had a union leadership that was actively promoting a job action, something you won't see at amr, and on top of that the amr pilot's don't have a "control" group like the west provided to usairways management. Those 2 facts alone make this a completely different legal landscape. I am sure the amr pilots have learned some lessons from the past and will handle this in a much smarter way.

USAPA made no secret of the fact they were staging a job action. Their communications and other actions left no doubt what was going on and gave the company all the ammunition they needed to get a court injunction. How dumb were the I am Onboard yellow lanyards USAPA wanted every pilot wearing? Simply beyond stupid on the unions part.

Does that surprise you one bit with USAPA? That is the biggest bunch of nincompoops out there.

Your understanding of BOB is correct! :)

I Liked Bob at FNWA, He got a lot done.

Everyone knows a Bob !

Just a comment and no judgement on APA. They have a hard fight and keep fighting...

...with that said...

Taxi routes in DFW: ER, P, ES, JS, K, JA, B, G taxiways today were horrendous. APA has been slow for years but they've scalled it back to either between "snail's pace" or "parking brake set".

DFW flight reader boards had numerous CANCELLED flights throughout the day on the screens.

I think ATC is getting irritated because they use both Foxtrot and Golf taxiways as same direction flow.

ATC cant do anything cus APA will say they are operating their airplanes safely.

(I realize my post is a day old, but I didnt read the thread)

Also, I am Eagle and like I said I do not oppose APA's position or agenda.

Please know, that when Eagle passes AA or when some dumb*** CA or FO makes a stupid comment to AA on the radio for going slow, I hope it doesnt represent AE pilot group in general.

AE has a different agenda. (for the most part). We havent turned down a contract yet like APA has and we havent fought the fight APA has. Some at AE believe we need the on-time performance and flight completeness to compete with our new rivals, xpjet and SKW. Plus Embraer brakes heat up on one-engine and we like to go home or eat ;)

"Sick pilots???"

Our sick time is at an ALL TIME LOW - in fact it went down right after the pilot implementation letter.

Typical for them to blame the pilots. Gee, I wonder if the 1100 mechanics who just got their furlough notices around Christmas might have anything to do with it?

but they told me they were gonna grow!

We are operating our jets per the operating manual. And you guys get paid by the minute as well, correct?

I was googling, looking for the first news article blaming AA pilots for something. Our union has told us in no uncertain terms that illegal job actions will not be tolerated... it's not us doing this. AA has been operating on a shoestring in terms of personnel for many months if not years. In my bid status at DFW, we haven't been properly manned for a couple of years, at least.

Since I am a low-time line guy, I get at least a half-dozen calls a month from crew schedule begging me to pick up that all nighter or 7-leg 2-day. They have no reserve pilots left. Most of our reserve guys are now, at 1/2 way through the month, at roughly 75% of monthly max. They are exhausted.

Stand by for emergency court orders commanding us to work to some level that management considers "satisfactory." And the news wires are going to go absolutely ape s--t soon over some imaginary job action.

Again, we are operating per the FARs and our Flight Manual. There is no illegal work action being taken.

Be safe out there guys.

Good Luck

Flight cancellations surge at American Airlines - Overhead Bin

Good reporting for a change?

Passenger here -

Not happy much at all over all of this.

Ticket agents, gate agents and the like are all getting beat up.

So don't do business with a corporation who believes in legalized rape of it's employees. Problem solved.