An important video for AMR/LCC pilots
12-29-2012, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
American pilots say deal with US Airways pilots required for pre-exit mergerDecember 28, 2012
The pilots union at American Airlines said it needs to have a seniority integration agreement with counterparts at US Airways if the two airlines are realistically going to start a merger process before American emerges from Chapter 11 protection, Bloomberg reported.
The story quoted Allied Pilots Association head Keith Wilson as saying that if a deal isn’t reached “in the very near future, in all likelihood there will be no merger before American Airlines exits restructuring,” quoting a message on the union website.
The pilots union at American Airlines said it needs to have a seniority integration agreement with counterparts at US Airways if the two airlines are realistically going to start a merger process before American emerges from Chapter 11 protection, Bloomberg reported.
The story quoted Allied Pilots Association head Keith Wilson as saying that if a deal isn’t reached “in the very near future, in all likelihood there will be no merger before American Airlines exits restructuring,” quoting a message on the union website.
12-29-2012, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
The story quoted Allied Pilots Association head Keith Wilson as saying that if a deal isn’t reached “in the very near future, in all likelihood there will be no merger before American Airlines exits restructuring,” quoting a message on the union website.
An American Airlines merger with US Airways Group Inc. (LCC) may not occur during the AMR Corp. (AAMRQ) unit’s bankruptcy unless pilot groups from the carriers agree on interim contract terms, American’s pilot union said.
If an accord isn’t reached “in the very near future, in all likelihood there will be no merger before American Airlines exits restructuring,” Keith Wilson, president of the Allied Pilots Association, said in a message on the union’s website.
The agreement would set wages, working conditions and terms to protect seniority until a joint contract for pilots at Fort Worth, Texas-based American and their counterparts at the US Airline Pilots Association is negotiated, he said.
The pilot groups, joined by executives from both carriers, began negotiating the accord earlier this month. American, which filed for bankruptcy on Nov. 29, 2011, has said it prefers to assess mergers after leaving court protection. US Airways, based in Tempe, Arizona, has been pushing for a tie-up since January.
“We don’t have the ability to stop the clock and make everyone else wait while we sort through all of the issues associated with an integrated seniority list,” Wilson told members, saying those details must wait until after a merger occurs.
If an accord isn’t reached “in the very near future, in all likelihood there will be no merger before American Airlines exits restructuring,” Keith Wilson, president of the Allied Pilots Association, said in a message on the union’s website.
The agreement would set wages, working conditions and terms to protect seniority until a joint contract for pilots at Fort Worth, Texas-based American and their counterparts at the US Airline Pilots Association is negotiated, he said.
The pilot groups, joined by executives from both carriers, began negotiating the accord earlier this month. American, which filed for bankruptcy on Nov. 29, 2011, has said it prefers to assess mergers after leaving court protection. US Airways, based in Tempe, Arizona, has been pushing for a tie-up since January.
“We don’t have the ability to stop the clock and make everyone else wait while we sort through all of the issues associated with an integrated seniority list,” Wilson told members, saying those details must wait until after a merger occurs.
12-29-2012, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
-Acceleration to industry standard pay, now instead of years down the road. Industry standard pay comes with matching revenue of peers.
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-Stability of working for a global carrier.
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-Building of the world's largest and most efficient A319/20/21 fleet.
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-More routes,
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efficient trips
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with synergies.
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Highly profitable shuttle system.
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More base choices after fences come down.
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...essentially all the benefits that CAL/UAL and NWA/DAL pilots are benefiting from today, while AA pilots are currently not.
NWA & DAL have realized many good things because of very specific events. DAL had a mass retirement surge pre-merger. DAL & NWA had relatively equal operations and resulting seniority list mergers.
Seniority is everything. This merger will be nothing less than a windfall for the west, a wash for the east, and devastating for AA pilots.
No thanks.
You can keep your "synergies."
12-29-2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
What worries you the most about a AA/US merger?
1. Seniority
2. Seniority
3. Seniority
Sorry, but with the way AA has shrunk the past several years, any SLI based upon relative seniority would be devastating to the AA pilots. Just ask the Easties how well relative seniority worked out.
12-29-2012, 12:07 PM
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Here are a few novel questions - If Mr. Parker had been appointed CEO of AMR on November 29, 2011, how would he have dealt with the unions at AA through this BK process? Were he CEO at AA, would he have proposed a merger with US? Is past performance any indicator of future performance? It's hard for many to remove the emotion from the equation. Ultimately, for every pilot, our lives and careers are governed by seniority. It is understandable that most of the US pilots are in favor of the deal as it results in a huge windfall without the necessity of going through section 6 negotiations.
While hope isn't a strategy or something to hang your hat on, and since the membership won't get a vote, one can only pray that the APA leadership has looked at every possible downside for its members and factored it into an MOU!
While hope isn't a strategy or something to hang your hat on, and since the membership won't get a vote, one can only pray that the APA leadership has looked at every possible downside for its members and factored it into an MOU!
12-29-2012, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
T58 - simple question - what floor do you press on the elevator to get to work?
The focus of this particular thread is whether a seniority integration plan should be presented and agreed to prior to a merger. I happen to be in the group that believe you leave as little to arbitrators as possible.
If you have another agenda, I'll leave you to it but I won't indulge it.
12-29-2012, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Enterprise
Top 3 concerns:
1. Seniority
2. Seniority
3. Seniority
Sorry, but with the way AA has shrunk the past several years, any SLI based upon relative seniority would be devastating to the AA pilots. Just ask the Easties how well relative seniority worked out.
1. Seniority
2. Seniority
3. Seniority
Sorry, but with the way AA has shrunk the past several years, any SLI based upon relative seniority would be devastating to the AA pilots. Just ask the Easties how well relative seniority worked out.
No need to apologize, those are three good reasons. I don't have to ask an eastie, I am one. Seems to me AA would be in a better position than US pilots were, but I don't have any data to back that up.
Good luck to us all.
12-29-2012, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Enterprise
There is virtually no difference in the mid-contract adjustment from Parker or Horton.
I already work for a global carrier.
Seriously? Who cares who the aircraft manufacturer is?
In addition to the routes currently flown by both airlines, what NEW routes will be flown? This is key. Please be specific.
There is NOTHING to indicate that a merger will cause trips to be "efficient." Many of the trips at DAL are horrific and grossly inefficient.
Please list what these "synergies" are.
Irrelevant if the rest of the system is not profitable.
Once again, who cares. Should I tell my family the wonderful news that we have the "opportunity" to move to Philly?
CAL & UAL have not hooked up yet. Wait until the seniority food fight begins. It will be AWA vs. USAir version 2.0.
NWA & DAL have realized many good things because of very specific events. DAL had a mass retirement surge pre-merger. DAL & NWA had relatively equal operations and resulting seniority list mergers.
Seniority is everything. This merger will be nothing less than a windfall for the west, a wash for the east, and devastating for AA pilots.
No thanks.
You can keep your "synergies."
I already work for a global carrier.
Seriously? Who cares who the aircraft manufacturer is?
In addition to the routes currently flown by both airlines, what NEW routes will be flown? This is key. Please be specific.
There is NOTHING to indicate that a merger will cause trips to be "efficient." Many of the trips at DAL are horrific and grossly inefficient.
Please list what these "synergies" are.
Irrelevant if the rest of the system is not profitable.
Once again, who cares. Should I tell my family the wonderful news that we have the "opportunity" to move to Philly?
CAL & UAL have not hooked up yet. Wait until the seniority food fight begins. It will be AWA vs. USAir version 2.0.
NWA & DAL have realized many good things because of very specific events. DAL had a mass retirement surge pre-merger. DAL & NWA had relatively equal operations and resulting seniority list mergers.
Seniority is everything. This merger will be nothing less than a windfall for the west, a wash for the east, and devastating for AA pilots.
No thanks.
You can keep your "synergies."
Dear Enterprise,
Please visit this link and bring yourself up to speed:
Pay close attention to AMR & LCC Explained.pdf 2.13 MB.
All the best,
FBW
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