Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood
(Post 1318429)
Wiskey Driver and Cacti, you have saved USAirways East pilots from liquidation? Thank you pilots for making management decisions and arranging the financing.
The East franchise is where the value has always been in this code sharing airline. If the East franchise had no value it would have been liquidated. All new major routes are going to the East due to the strength of the franchise. You Westies are doing 30% of the former East flying due to the weakness of the West franchise. So who really is stealing jobs? It is your golden boy DP who is hiring and has built up excessive staffing on the East side. There are pilots who barely fly 10 hours a month on the East? Why did DP say no recalls on the West in the crew news? Because the West franchise is a leisure market according to DP, weak in revenue. If APA and USAPA can not come to an agreement outside of another arbitration the deal may be dead. Your DFR is the toxic deal breaker in consolidation, not DOH with fences. Management doesn't care about the NIC or DOH. Management will keep APA happy. Now you say management doest care which way they go, I say you are incorrect there too. They do care or else the east would have been allowed to complete their bully method. The place is a lawsuit looking for a jury to award damages for if it were not again you would have been allowed to complete your mission. WD at AWA |
Originally Posted by MongoC5
(Post 1318435)
Well at least this thing turned into another east-west biotch fest...Merry Christmas everyone!
Mongo Under the NDA nothing official has been released about DOH, fences, anything, so why don't we just chill and think about whats best long term for everyone, not just ME. http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/12...-american.html |
Feliz Navidad !
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[QUOTE=nwa757;1318453]Exactly. Playing right into management's game set up... this thread started with a video advocating unity and working together and having a few merger related shared sacrifices in order to create the world's largest and arguably the strongest airline. United and Delta have blown past AMR/LCC... are the pilots going to get together on the same page and work together at a strong viable carrier, or stay obsessed with East vs West mess.
Under the NDA nothing official has been released about DOH, fences, anything, so why don't we just chill and think about whats best long term for everyone, not just ME. Merger would strengthen American, if pilots cooperate, Crandall says | Airlines and Aviati...[/ Well said! Thankfully these clowns are a minority. No matter what the subject they always drop the same turd. Both sides have a chance to better their careers and they had rather b1tch and spew venom by name calling on a web board. How manly. Comical, no actually pitiful when you think about it. CG |
Priority number one for East and West pilots should be making sure this merger gets implemented.
This merger would be the ultimake Christmas present in career expectation—File the lawsuits post CBA. West inherits the Earth regardless of SLI method. |
Originally Posted by flybywire44
(Post 1318546)
Priority number one for East and West pilots should be making sure this merger gets implemented.
This merger would be the ultimake Christmas present in career expectation—File the lawsuits post CBA. West inherits the Earth regardless of SLI method. Sounds like you expect an Arizona conga line to AA narrowbody and wide body captains slots. |
quick question, a Senior CA on the 757 at West/Old Cactus, how does he get intergrated into AA ?
Stay on same equipment ? Etc ? Etc stuff |
Originally Posted by satpak77
(Post 1318574)
quick question, a Senior CA on the 757 at West/Old Cactus, how does he get intergrated into AA ?
Stay on same equipment ? Etc ? Etc stuff Rest assured that SOMEBODY will still sue and try to block the implementation no matter what the resultant list were to look like. |
Mr. Crandall was correct. Everyone has to agree BEFORE a merger. Keep in mind that in 7 years most of the East will be gone. BOTH sides need to keep this in mind.
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1318565)
This smells like someone who hopes for a piggyback ride to utopia. Could you elaborate on your statements of Christmas-like career expectations for U pilots and how the West will "inherit the earth" ?
Sounds like you expect an Arizona conga line to AA narrowbody and wide body captains slots. The merger would enhance the competitiveness, job security and carrer expectation of all three pilot groups as a whole. Letter to APA Pilots Opposing US Airways Merger Dear APA Pilots Opposing US Airways Merger, I appreciate your prudent concern towards the possible merger. This is a time that every American and US Airways pilot should be weighing the risks and merits of the proposed merger. As you are aware, many third party investment advisors have considered the prospects of an American and US Airways Merger. The weight of their findings and how it would enhance the careers of American pilots has been staggering:
This merger is unique in that American would be merging with the oldest pilot group in the United States. I offer you these statistics to consider:
The greater number of near-term US Airways retirements represent a short-term opportunity for American Pilots under a Date of Hire seniority scheme. US Airways Fleet, aircraft deliveries and growth are also worth considering:
I encourage you to realize that the United States and other western economies are in financial decline. Deceptive market metrics and inflationary monitory policies are effectively masking the lasting damage from the 2008 recession. I invite you to visit the website shadowstats.com. Western economies will continue to decline. America will see increased taxation, austerity and slow GDP growth. No fundamental change has been made to the American economy since 2008. Survival of American as a preeminent airline necessitates consolidation for longterm survival. Who is John Gault? Is American suited to stand alone if Sabotage comes to America? Is American suited to weather another economic recession? How exposed would American be if a recession occurred during the merger? American needs to be bigger in order to compete. Absent a merger, American otherwise may face a "slow death" from Delta (and VA), United, Spirit, Southwest, foreign carriers and US Airways with its industry-lacking, but ultra competitive pilot contract. I implore you to imagine for a second how the addition of US Airways passenger feed would drive substantial upgaging and international growth. Analysts repeatedly state that merged American could support growth in Asia. What about Australia and Africa? The possibility of AMR/LCC Seniority List Integration is at least two years away and would likely be implemented lastly after CBA. This timeline is currently being negotiated by APA and USAPA. A simple and conservative 3 year fence from date of SLI would preserve AA flying for 5 years from today. This would give the Unsecured Creditors Committee productivity sooner and allow American pilots to realize 1,200 or 24% of US Airways pilot retirements. Maybe American pilots will require a longer seniority fence? Further restrictions including protection of widebody flying should also be considered. However, I do concede the disadvantageous nature of a SLI that incorporates the Nicolai award to American pilots, but even still the benefits and of a merged American cannot be outweighed. American and US Airways pilots should embrace this merger as an opportunity with an open-minded spirit of cooperation and compromise. A merger is bigger than any of us and we owe it to each other as pilots to collect all of the facts first before we decide whether or not to build the worlds biggest airline—American Airways. Thank you for your consideration. American Airlines + US Airways Retirments Code:
Year Age AMR LCC Total Movement Rel Seniority . |
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