Recent retirement numbers?
02-01-2013, 05:24 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by lolwut
Pilots talk big, are selfish, and don't know how to plan.
Its just talk.
Its just talk.
I don't get the "selfish" remark though. The length of one's career is solely up to the individual and a personal choice. Whether one chooses to retire early or remain till age 65 shouldn't label one as selfish! They do have a plan, but others don't get to decide what that is or should be!
02-01-2013, 05:57 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk58
I don't get the "selfish" remark though. The length of one's career is solely up to the individual and a personal choice. Whether one chooses to retire early or remain till age 65 shouldn't label one as selfish! They do have a plan, but others don't get to decide what that is or should be!
IE, sustaining thousands of express/eagle/connection jobs at food stamp wages, in order to sustain 'mainline' wages.
The shrinking of the middle class, pulling up the rope as they call it.
We are always stronger when we work together, instead of letting management fragment us apart.
02-01-2013, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
Selfish has to do with any mainline pilot voting to outsource boatloads of flying to 'regionals' flying 86,000 jets on mainline routes. Thinking about themselves instead of people in their 20s and 30s trying to establish themselves in this career.
IE, sustaining thousands of express/eagle/connection jobs at food stamp wages, in order to sustain 'mainline' wages.
The shrinking of the middle class, pulling up the rope as they call it.
We are always stronger when we work together, instead of letting management fragment us apart.
IE, sustaining thousands of express/eagle/connection jobs at food stamp wages, in order to sustain 'mainline' wages.
The shrinking of the middle class, pulling up the rope as they call it.
We are always stronger when we work together, instead of letting management fragment us apart.
Sounds like the "get out of my seat" arguments we've heard through the years.
02-02-2013, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nwa757
Selfish has to do with any mainline pilot voting to outsource boatloads of flying to 'regionals' flying 86,000 jets on mainline routes. Thinking about themselves instead of people in their 20s and 30s trying to establish themselves in this career.
IE, sustaining thousands of express/eagle/connection jobs at food stamp wages, in order to sustain 'mainline' wages.
The shrinking of the middle class, pulling up the rope as they call it.
We are always stronger when we work together, instead of letting management fragment us apart.
IE, sustaining thousands of express/eagle/connection jobs at food stamp wages, in order to sustain 'mainline' wages.
The shrinking of the middle class, pulling up the rope as they call it.
We are always stronger when we work together, instead of letting management fragment us apart.
02-02-2013, 06:40 AM
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Position: SFO Guppy CA
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I don't think anyone's scope clause allows 86,000 RJ's. I'll have to check, but that sounds a bit on the high-side. As for the rest of your post, that fight was forfeited long ago. Seeing how you feel this way, my advice is to put your thrust-lever hand where your mouth is and pull it back and walk away from the beloved RJ. Many pilots feel differently than you do and advocate more and larger jets at their regionals, thus there's plenty of "selling out" going around.
02-02-2013, 06:47 AM
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I also agree with nwa757, as do the vast amount of pilots here in regional pilot purgatory. As long as mainline pilots sell out the industry and are selfish and greedy, we (the regionals) will exist. Most of the regional pilots want mainline jobs that pay decently and have MUCH better benefits than any regional.
02-02-2013, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
DAL, UAL, AMR, and LCC all have that limitation of 86,000 pounds for regional airplanes. This allows E170/E175 and CRJ 900s. Our E175s actually have a MTOW of 89,000 pounds, for which there is a cutout in DAL's scope language for our 36 airplanes that were a part of the merger of NWA/CPZ with Delta Air Lines. CPZ was by default because they were wholly owned by NWA at the time of merger.
Who would have a scope clause allowing 86,000 RJ's ?
02-02-2013, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
I also agree with nwa757, as do the vast amount of pilots here in regional pilot purgatory. As long as mainline pilots sell out the industry and are selfish and greedy, we (the regionals) will exist. Most of the regional pilots want mainline jobs that pay decently and have MUCH better benefits than any regional.
Since you're not part of the solution either, I think you and your pal should refrain from throwing rocks at others on this.
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