AA Recall
02-18-2013, 01:14 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by NoWake200
Bean, it was mostly TWA pilots that went back to 1989 hire dates.
As of May 1st 2012:
- 1015 pilots had deferred recall with 650 furloughed not yet offered recall.
Total Pilots Furloughed 1665 - Total AE Flow Thru Pilots (Pilots on Sen List NOT at AA) 247
(Pilots are still at AE and do not count toward furloughs) - Recalled since 2007: 1117
Furlough Groups by DOH with Furlough Date Range, LOS Range, Recall Status and Return Rate:
- 1166 furloughs have a skewed DOH from SLI and cannot be grouped by DOH year — Furloughed Apr '05, Offered Recall, NA% (Most Senior group)
- 159 furloughs w/DOH between 3/20/'89 - 12/7/'89 — Furloughed 8/1/'03 thru 7/2/'03, 5217-4955 days LOS, Offered Recall, 64% return rate
- 63 furloughs w/DOH between 1/5/'90 - 9/28/'90 — Furloughed 7/2/'03, 4926-4660 days LOS, Offered Recall, 59% return rate
- 27 furloughs w/DOH between 2/11/'94 - 5/12/'94 — Furloughed 7/2/'03, 3428-3338 days LOS, Offered Recall, 41% return rate
- 15 furloughs w/DOH between 11/10/'95 - 12/14/'95 — Furloughed 7/2/'03, 2791-2757 days LOS, Offered Recall, 60% return rate
- 234 furloughs w/DOH between 1/4/'96 - 12/17/'96 — Furloughed 6/1/'03 thru 1/1/'03, 2705-2206 days LOS, Offered Recall, 44% return rate
- 77 furloughs w/DOH between 1/15/'97 - 7/17/'97 — Furloughed 1/1/'03, 2177-1994 days LOS, Offered Recall, 26% return rate
- 99 furloughs w/DOH between 1/8/'98 - 12/30/'98 — Furloughed 1/1'03 thru 11/1/'02, 1819-1402 days LOS, Offered Recall, 20% return rate
- 181 furloughs w/DOH between 1/14/'99 - 12/14/'99 — Furloughed 11/1/'02 thru 1/31/'02, 1387-779 days LOS, Offered Recall, 19% return rate
- 218 furloughs w/DOH between 1/27/'00 - 12/27/'00 — Furloughed 1/31/'02 thru 10/1/'01, 735-278 days LOS, Recalling now?
- 543 furloughs w/DOH between 1/4/'01 - 8/20/'01 — Furloughed 10/1/'01, 270-42 days LOS, Recalling now? (Most Junior Group)
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02-18-2013, 04:42 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by NoWake200
Bean, it was mostly TWA pilots that went back to 1989 hire dates.
around 800 AA "natives"
around 1200 ex TWA
then another batch of 385 "natives
So the actual furlough #s of "native" and ex TWA were almost identical.
Today, they have recalled all the way down to the last ex TWA and are currently at 235 AE flow thrus as well as the 385 natives at the very bottom (those are the natives that went below ALL of TWA.)
02-18-2013, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ForeverFO
Mike, we (APA members) just received a mailing on the equity stake.
If she takes the recall before the end of the SQP (Supplementary Qualification Period), which is a fancy way of saying sometime before Aug or Sep or thereabouts, the SQP not being set yet, she will have equity stake if she signs a letter of agreement, and attends class no later than 90 days after the end of SQP.
If she does NOT accept recall, then she gets diddly, regardless of her time at AA.
You are right, big decision for her. My thought is that her seniority post-integration will more than compensate her for loss of the equity stake. $$100,000 isn't a bad chunk of change, but it's less than one year's salary at her current seniority.
The "silo" model is complex. The equity stake will vary between pilots. If it is not done fairly, then there will be some bad blood. My great hope is that the mathematics behind the silos creates a scenario where the least compensated pilot will get no less than, say, 85% of the highest. So the ideal range (IMO) would be 85% - 100%. If we see some B.S. like pilot A gets $260,000, and pilot B gets $35,000, it'll hack me off.
If she takes the recall before the end of the SQP (Supplementary Qualification Period), which is a fancy way of saying sometime before Aug or Sep or thereabouts, the SQP not being set yet, she will have equity stake if she signs a letter of agreement, and attends class no later than 90 days after the end of SQP.
If she does NOT accept recall, then she gets diddly, regardless of her time at AA.
You are right, big decision for her. My thought is that her seniority post-integration will more than compensate her for loss of the equity stake. $$100,000 isn't a bad chunk of change, but it's less than one year's salary at her current seniority.
The "silo" model is complex. The equity stake will vary between pilots. If it is not done fairly, then there will be some bad blood. My great hope is that the mathematics behind the silos creates a scenario where the least compensated pilot will get no less than, say, 85% of the highest. So the ideal range (IMO) would be 85% - 100%. If we see some B.S. like pilot A gets $260,000, and pilot B gets $35,000, it'll hack me off.
02-18-2013, 08:46 PM
#26
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[QUOTE=aa73;1355472]Actually, the breakdown was:
around 800 AA "natives"
around 1200 ex TWA
then another batch of 385 "natives
So the actual furlough #s of "native" and ex TWA were almost identical.
Today, they have recalled all the way down to the last ex TWA and are currently at 235 AE flow thrus as well as the 385 natives at the very bottom (those are the natives that went below ALL of TWA.)[/QUOTE
The above numbers are incorrect. The more accurate numbers are:
Around 380 AA "Natives" ( hired after all the TWA pilots)
Around 1200 ex TWA
Another batch of 385 that was comprised of both natives and TWA pilots ratioed into the list 1-7.
around 800 AA "natives"
around 1200 ex TWA
then another batch of 385 "natives
So the actual furlough #s of "native" and ex TWA were almost identical.
Today, they have recalled all the way down to the last ex TWA and are currently at 235 AE flow thrus as well as the 385 natives at the very bottom (those are the natives that went below ALL of TWA.)[/QUOTE
The above numbers are incorrect. The more accurate numbers are:
Around 380 AA "Natives" ( hired after all the TWA pilots)
Around 1200 ex TWA
Another batch of 385 that was comprised of both natives and TWA pilots ratioed into the list 1-7.
02-19-2013, 05:29 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by EXTW
Actually, it crept into the 4Q1988 hires also.
Originally Posted by Godzilla
Originally Posted by aa73
Actually, the breakdown was:
around 800 AA "natives"
around 1200 ex TWA
then another batch of 385 "natives
So the actual furlough #s of "native" and ex TWA were almost identical.
Today, they have recalled all the way down to the last ex TWA and are currently at 235 AE flow thrus as well as the 385 natives at the very bottom (those are the natives that went below ALL of TWA.)
around 800 AA "natives"
around 1200 ex TWA
then another batch of 385 "natives
So the actual furlough #s of "native" and ex TWA were almost identical.
Today, they have recalled all the way down to the last ex TWA and are currently at 235 AE flow thrus as well as the 385 natives at the very bottom (those are the natives that went below ALL of TWA.)
Around 380 AA "Natives" ( hired after all the TWA pilots)
Around 1200 ex TWA
Another batch of 385 that was comprised of both natives and TWA pilots ratioed into the list 1-7.
Just because the total number of furloughs were almost equal it was fair? 1200 was about half of the entire TWA pilots, captains included. With those same captains being nowhere near the left seat 12 years later.
Originally Posted by beancounter
Thanks for the info. I can remember wanting to apply to American, but I hit 1000 121 PIC right after 9/11. I was fortunate enough to avoid a downgrade and stayed a sim instructor.
Bean
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02-28-2013, 12:52 PM
#29
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Anyone know if the second group of flowups have been called and when their decision date is? I know the April 6th is filling and the furloughs above the second group were called.
You would think I might have acquired some patience by now. Apparently not.
You would think I might have acquired some patience by now. Apparently not.
03-01-2013, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NoWake200
Just because the total number of furloughs were almost equal it was fair? 1200 was about half of the entire TWA pilots, captains included. With those same captains being nowhere near the left seat 12 years later.
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