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cactiboss 02-17-2013 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1354683)
I don't see why thats a big deal. I mean how many times is the RVR exactly 4000 and the FO can't land?

The big deal is that the Fo has no experience when he upgrades, pa's should be a pnf duty when ac moving etc.

beancounter 02-17-2013 09:53 AM

I just hope egos can be put aside and we can take the safest, most efficient procedures from both sides.

Bean

meyers9163 02-17-2013 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1354683)
I don't see why thats a big deal. I mean how many times is the RVR exactly 4000 and the FO can't land?

CLT mornings a lot.......

flyinawa 02-17-2013 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by beancounter (Post 1354698)
I just hope egos can be put aside and we can take the safest, most efficient procedures from both sides.

Bean

Omg, you are just adorable!

beancounter 02-17-2013 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1354647)
So on another board some guys are discussing some procedures that AA uses that seem odd to me and I was wondering if it was just some web board BS.

Fo's can't start engines?

Fo's can't make pa's?

Fo's can't fly imc approaches?

Can this be correct?

Don't worry, thankfully we're not merging with Southwest. Remember when the company was reviewing approach data and they focused training on executing missed approaches? During that time I was talking to a buddy at Southwest who said they were encouraged not to go around because it wastes gas. They've gotten better since the publicized overruns, but the culture of money and time over safety is still there.

Bean

beancounter 02-17-2013 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 1354702)
Omg, you are just adorable!

Har har......

eaglefly 02-17-2013 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1354683)
I don't see why thats a big deal. I mean how many times is the RVR exactly 4000 and the FO can't land?

Agreed. Doesn't really matter to me anyway........a leg's a leg.

PA's ?

Did 'em for 18 years and doesn't matter to me either.

eaglefly 02-17-2013 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1354694)
The big deal is that the Fo has no experience when he upgrades, pa's should be a pnf duty when ac moving etc.

Depends on the F/O's background. F/O's MAY have no experience in making ANY "final authority" decsions (including the really important stuff) when they are kicked loose from Captains IOE and simple PA's should be learned easily in IOE. PA's while taxiing though is surprising the Fed's signed off on that, but what 'ya gonna do ?

aa73 02-17-2013 10:44 AM

Correct, it's 3/4SM... I made a typo.

Regarding the PAs... I don't care either. Let the CA make' em all. However - the one PA that should be made by the FO, or change it to a simple chime, is the Prepare PA prior to takeoff. It's always been a CA's PA and it really makes no sense for him to talk and taxi at the same time. It was signed off by the FAA simply because AA's POI was ingrained in AA's procedures for years.

flyinawa 02-17-2013 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by beancounter (Post 1354709)
Har har......

I'm sorry, my reply to your initial post was a bit jerky. In all honesty, I completely agree with your post but have been through a couple of mergers now. The "best practice" mantra was how we approached it but the implementation was messed up. As a forever optimist, I share the same hope as you. Cheers.


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