Uniforms
04-02-2013 | 08:31 AM
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Why? Do you like the generic wide bar looks just like every regional pilot that has silver and navy colors? Airways got it right with the current uniform if you ask me. Its different but not over the top. On a side note, I cant wait to see this new nightmare of a uniform at UA that I have been hearing about.
04-02-2013 | 05:40 PM
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I mean seriously. This we vs us stuff is what creates b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it. Are you proud to be a part of a profession where half the pilots can barely afford to raise a family, just because you are in the "upper" half?
If everyone had that attitude, eventually you won't work for any company at all... you'll end up beating your chest about some shell-game company.
04-02-2013 | 07:19 PM
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This should work for you.
I mean seriously. This we vs us stuff is what creates b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it. Are you proud to be a part of a profession where half the pilots can barely afford to raise a family, just because you are in the "upper" half?
If everyone had that attitude, eventually you won't work for any company at all... you'll end up beating your chest about some shell-game company.
I mean seriously. This we vs us stuff is what creates b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it. Are you proud to be a part of a profession where half the pilots can barely afford to raise a family, just because you are in the "upper" half?
If everyone had that attitude, eventually you won't work for any company at all... you'll end up beating your chest about some shell-game company.
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04-02-2013 | 07:35 PM
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I would like to eventually see no regionals. You get on at a major and start flying a regional jet, but you are an American, United, etc. pilot. I think this would deal with some of the pay and safety issues at the regionals. Will it happen? I really doubt it. Should we have different uniforms? For now, yes.
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04-02-2013 | 10:47 PM
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04-03-2013 | 05:24 AM
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This should work for you.
I mean seriously. This we vs us stuff is what creates b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it. Are you proud to be a part of a profession where half the pilots can barely afford to raise a family, just because you are in the "upper" half?
If everyone had that attitude, eventually you won't work for any company at all... you'll end up beating your chest about some shell-game company.
I mean seriously. This we vs us stuff is what creates b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it. Are you proud to be a part of a profession where half the pilots can barely afford to raise a family, just because you are in the "upper" half?
If everyone had that attitude, eventually you won't work for any company at all... you'll end up beating your chest about some shell-game company.
One airline wearing different a uniform from another airline does not create "b-scales, 50% outsourcing, you name it". Most of the flying you guys are doing used to be mainline anyways.
All I see here is regional guys that want to be mistaken for mainline guys and mainline guys that don't like to be mistaken for regional guys. I hate to say it, but there is a huge difference.
If you could please leave your inferiority complex on the regional forum that would be great.
04-03-2013 | 09:07 AM
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+ 1 on regional and majors having different uniforms. Two totally different airlines and the uniforms should reflect that.
Contrary to what was written above - Having the same uniform is just one of many factors that BROUGHT turmoil to this profession. If you don't see that then my friend you are naive. Same paint jobs, same uniforms, same procedures - itīs all part of a carefully orchestrated plan to all be one and the same singing kumbaya together. Managementīs wet dream come true! Well, folks, pardon my straightfrowardness but once your dues are paid and you score your dream job, the LAST thing you want is for your position to be slowly diluted and eroded away into the lowest common blend so that "we are all one and the same." Sorry, but that's the exact attitude airline management wants us to adopt, and I resist that to the max.
This is not a slam on regional pilots, as your jobs are just as demanding as your major airline counterparts, if not more, and I will never consider myself superior to anyone - but rather, an effort to maintain the major airline pilot position at the highest level it can be.
Now, as someone else above wrote - bring the regional pilots into mainline and start off on the lowest paying equipment, now we're talking: same uniforms, paint, etc - absolutely. But as long as the airlines remain separate and the regional pilot groups are handed over outsourced flying from the majors, no thanks: now we have pilot groups taking flying at the expense of others.
When I was an ACA pilot, we had our own uniform despite the fact that it was strictly United Express (this was pre-DL Connection days) and we were proud of that. We did NOT want to look like UAL or DL pilots. And the same should apply today.
Just one man's opinion and again, not a slam on regional pilots. Just trying to keep what (little) we still have.
Contrary to what was written above - Having the same uniform is just one of many factors that BROUGHT turmoil to this profession. If you don't see that then my friend you are naive. Same paint jobs, same uniforms, same procedures - itīs all part of a carefully orchestrated plan to all be one and the same singing kumbaya together. Managementīs wet dream come true! Well, folks, pardon my straightfrowardness but once your dues are paid and you score your dream job, the LAST thing you want is for your position to be slowly diluted and eroded away into the lowest common blend so that "we are all one and the same." Sorry, but that's the exact attitude airline management wants us to adopt, and I resist that to the max.
This is not a slam on regional pilots, as your jobs are just as demanding as your major airline counterparts, if not more, and I will never consider myself superior to anyone - but rather, an effort to maintain the major airline pilot position at the highest level it can be.
Now, as someone else above wrote - bring the regional pilots into mainline and start off on the lowest paying equipment, now we're talking: same uniforms, paint, etc - absolutely. But as long as the airlines remain separate and the regional pilot groups are handed over outsourced flying from the majors, no thanks: now we have pilot groups taking flying at the expense of others.
When I was an ACA pilot, we had our own uniform despite the fact that it was strictly United Express (this was pre-DL Connection days) and we were proud of that. We did NOT want to look like UAL or DL pilots. And the same should apply today.
Just one man's opinion and again, not a slam on regional pilots. Just trying to keep what (little) we still have.
04-03-2013 | 09:57 AM
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+ 1 on regional and majors having different uniforms. Two totally different airlines and the uniforms should reflect that.
Contrary to what was written above - Having the same uniform is just one of many factors that BROUGHT turmoil to this profession. If you don't see that then my friend you are naive. Same paint jobs, same uniforms, same procedures - itīs all part of a carefully orchestrated plan to all be one and the same singing kumbaya together. Managementīs wet dream come true! Well, folks, pardon my straightfrowardness but once your dues are paid and you score your dream job, the LAST thing you want is for your position to be slowly diluted and eroded away into the lowest common blend so that "we are all one and the same." Sorry, but that's the exact attitude airline management wants us to adopt, and I resist that to the max.
This is not a slam on regional pilots, as your jobs are just as demanding as your major airline counterparts, if not more, and I will never consider myself superior to anyone - but rather, an effort to maintain the major airline pilot position at the highest level it can be.
Now, as someone else above wrote - bring the regional pilots into mainline and start off on the lowest paying equipment, now we're talking: same uniforms, paint, etc - absolutely. But as long as the airlines remain separate and the regional pilot groups are handed over outsourced flying from the majors, no thanks: now we have pilot groups taking flying at the expense of others.
When I was an ACA pilot, we had our own uniform despite the fact that it was strictly United Express (this was pre-DL Connection days) and we were proud of that. We did NOT want to look like UAL or DL pilots. And the same should apply today.
Just one man's opinion and again, not a slam on regional pilots. Just trying to keep what (little) we still have.
Contrary to what was written above - Having the same uniform is just one of many factors that BROUGHT turmoil to this profession. If you don't see that then my friend you are naive. Same paint jobs, same uniforms, same procedures - itīs all part of a carefully orchestrated plan to all be one and the same singing kumbaya together. Managementīs wet dream come true! Well, folks, pardon my straightfrowardness but once your dues are paid and you score your dream job, the LAST thing you want is for your position to be slowly diluted and eroded away into the lowest common blend so that "we are all one and the same." Sorry, but that's the exact attitude airline management wants us to adopt, and I resist that to the max.
This is not a slam on regional pilots, as your jobs are just as demanding as your major airline counterparts, if not more, and I will never consider myself superior to anyone - but rather, an effort to maintain the major airline pilot position at the highest level it can be.
Now, as someone else above wrote - bring the regional pilots into mainline and start off on the lowest paying equipment, now we're talking: same uniforms, paint, etc - absolutely. But as long as the airlines remain separate and the regional pilot groups are handed over outsourced flying from the majors, no thanks: now we have pilot groups taking flying at the expense of others.
When I was an ACA pilot, we had our own uniform despite the fact that it was strictly United Express (this was pre-DL Connection days) and we were proud of that. We did NOT want to look like UAL or DL pilots. And the same should apply today.
Just one man's opinion and again, not a slam on regional pilots. Just trying to keep what (little) we still have.
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