Ok, OK, Thanks Relay and WD. i know your respective positions on this matter.

My intent was to engage flybywire as to why he thinks the west is equally responsible since he is a fellow third lister.

I apologize for sinking this thread further.

Perhaps flybywire would prefer to respond via PM

Flyby wire is a complete idiot if that is indeed what he believes, it's akin to blaming a rape victim for being assaulted. Put your eyes on this document filed by the company to see how twisted his logic is when compared to the truth.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West...Mot_for_SJ.pdf

Cacti, for you anyone that disagrees with you is a total idiot.

You stated early on that your goal was to educate the pilots of other airlines. Well, you have certainly done that in one area.

Flybywire claims this is the west's fault, equally. Even though I am biased, that is a laughable position. Yeah I aim to educate and I get it that I am biased to the west point of view. I always show the companies position so people can see what a "neutral" thinks the "facts" are. So feast your eyes on the companies latest "statement of fact" filing, it clearly lays out the east douchebaggery to the court.

leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Doc_278_SOF_with_respect_to_Airways_Mot_for_SJ.pdf

I for one don't think flyby is an idiot at all I just think that he come on here as a pilot for US after the fact and he is surrounded by east views. There is no one that can conclude that the west is at fault that has been there since the beginning. This is why I like the casino analogy. No one says give me my money back or else!

WD at AWA

See this is what makes you not only a fool, but an ignorant fool. Alpa did no such thing, the east pilots are the one's that walked out of negotiations. Looks like you suffer from the eastinfection syndrome, where truth and facts don't exist. Now, go do your research, and come back when you got your facts straight.

No, this makes you look like an ignorant fool. He put east ALPA, yet you only highlighted ALPA and then said ALPA did no such thing. Really?! Then you have to bring it back here instead of keeping it on the other thread.

Simple misunderstanding, but boy do you ask for it Cacti.

I've responded here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/am...ml#post1523380

Why do you guys keep letting these West dudes bait you into arguments? Just a suggestion but why not just ignore any post they make outside of the Whinefest/AOL thread. This might stop every thread from becoming infected with this garbage. Arguing with them is pointless. For them (and some East), this will never be over. The NIC could go in effect tomorrow and they'll still be on this board posting the same stuff. If/When they get placed over AA guys with twice their seniority Im sure they'll b!tch to them to.

No misunderstanding, the EAST Alpa you reference were EAST pilots that supported and founded usapa illegally using ALPA positions and resources.

Not they weren't! Some of them may have gone on to USAPA, but most didn't. They pulled out of JNC talks way before USAPA was an issue. Admit you are wrong.

Excellent suggestion.

Are you joking? We have documents showing the PHL alpa reps working with the usapa founders to pull the east out of negotiations. We have the PHL reps vowing to never allow a contract because wilson polling showed the east would vote for it. You think Alpa put PHL into trusteeship for no reason? It is all documented numbnuts.

"Just ignore it". Fantastic advice. Brilliant.

We see a 20+ page thread entitled "Suit Settled!" and we're all psyched to read about it.

Instead, we get nic blather. But buried within the spew, about every 8th post, are genuine nuggets about the merger. We'd like to read those. Unfortunately, to do so, we have to read every nic whine between the nuggets.

It's like digging a ton of s--t to get a little gold out of the paydirt. WE CAN'T IGNORE IT.

Take it to the AOL thread. Please.

Pretty please? :rolleyes:

It took more time for you to write this ignorant garbage than for you to follow your own advice and move on. Don't want to read it? Easy fix move on to the next post etc. Get it?

WD at AWA

See this is what I am talking about and why you need to S.T.F.U.. Again you are as wrong as two left feet. You were not a rep you were not a committee chair so you have no idea or original thoughts, only those that were given to you. This is the main reason why the Philly council was places in trustee.

Stop talking relay as you are really looking very foolish now.

WD at AWA

Did you even read my post?

We shouldn't have to wade through this garbage. You have to read them, at least a portion, to determine if it's on topic, about the merger, vs. more West whining.

Do you think you're making a great impression pre-SLI? Think APA members are all cowering, saying "Wow, those west guys are an impressive group. We'd better walk carefully around them."

Believe me, it's having the opposite affect.

I imagine the APA guys are licking their chops.

Look up at the top of the page- note the topic of this thread. "OFFICIAL:Suit Settled, Merger to Happen." The problem is that you pollute every thread with this argument. All anyone is asking is that you keep the East/West argument in the appropriate thread instead of, to quote Bernie Taupin, sprinkling cayenne pepper in every sugar bowl "But he's a fool and he's a thief"
You started out saying that you were simply "educating" people- Well please consider us alllllllllllllllllll e-d-u-c-a---t-e-d. Just have some consideration toward others who are not interested in this. We know where to look. There are a number of threads strictly dedicated to the East/West drama. (and this is coming from someone who will actually read the threads strictly devoted to the East/West drama. )

Are the American pilots excited for this merger or did they (do you) feel it was more of a necessity? Congrats on getting the stock payout. That was pretty sweet

I'd say 10% are upset and leery, 20% are "meh", and 70% are excited... mainly, getting rid of our thieving management who lined their pockets with PUP-bucks over this decade.

Most are tickled to be finally getting some respectable raises, too.

As for the equity deal - pretty sweet, except it's going to be a while before we see it, and no doubt the way they constructed the payout will burn some people.

Well good luck to us all. It should be good for the majority of people :cool:

Agreed. Interesting to see what's the plan when they get their fleet plan/city pairings rolling(2015+).

Court hearing today for final approval of exit plan...this guy is tweeting updates from the court room.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JasonWhitely

Thanks for the link. Interesting.

Did DAL, UAL, and SWA have to go to court to squash this Alioto clown too? What an ambulance chaser.

Capt H

Sounds like the hearing just adjourned. Judge said he'd take the arguments under advisement and we could hear something as early as this afternoon…definitely by Wednesday.

Awesome post. Great twitter find.

Anyone have info on this?

AMR Bankruptcy Judge to Rule on Settlement Tomorrow, Lawyer Says - Bloomberg

AMR Corp. (AAMRQ) will learn tomorrow whether a bankruptcy judge approved its settlement of a U.S. Justice Department lawsuit over the proposed merger of American Airlines and US Airways Group Inc. (LCC), a company lawyer said.
The lawyer, Stephen Karotkin, said in a phone interview that U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane scheduled a hearing for tomorrow at 10 a.m. in Manhattan to issue his ruling.

I think it means the judge will rule on it tomorrow. I could be wrong, though.

Judge to rule Wednesday on American Airlines merger and bankruptcy plan | Dallas Morning News

We see that U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane has scheduled a 10 a.m. Wednesday hearing to announce his decision on the AMR and American Airlines bankruptcy case and merger.

There are three items on the agenda, all related:
– The AMR/American motion that the settlement of the U.S. Department of Justice antitrust lawsuit doesn’t significantly change the previously approved plan of reorganization. If the judge agrees, AMR creditors and shareholders wouldn’t be asked to vote again on the plan.

– The request from plaintiffs in a private antitrust lawsuit for a temporary restraining order. If the judge approves, AMR/American’s exit from bankruptcy and merger with US Airways would be put on hold.

– The AMR/American motion asking for an order to allow them to consummate the merger with US Airways. If the judge agrees, AMR/American would merge in the near future with US Airways as AMR/American exits bankruptcy, on or about Dec. 9.

The hearing will be held in his courtroom in lower Manhattan. The time is Eastern Standard. It’ll start at 9 a.m. Central Standard Time.

At the end of a two-hour hearing Monday, Judge Lane told attorneys for the airlines and plaintiffs in the private antitrust lawsuit that he would file by Wednesday. He had left open the possibility of either a written order only or a bench ruling accompanied subsequently with a written order.

The scheduling of the hearing indicates he’ll make a bench ruling.

I think we're all pretty excited. This merger is going to be good, I can't imagine any pilot being against this at any company.

Although I have been a witness of the great US/AW SLI fight, I don't know much about the law. For those that do, why is the bankruptcy court hearing from a lawyer that represents less than 50 folks that want cheap fares? If Holder is happy, what's the deal?

I think this guy is an ambulance chaser out to make a quick buck. He's sued every merger attempted lately and lost every one. Reading through the Tweets the other day, it sounded like the judge had very little patience for him.

Witness?????? Really????? What would it take for you to consider yourself a participant?
CG

To have been an officer of USAPA, or one of their attorneys . Heck, I didn't even vote for them and they(officers or reps of USAPA) have certainly never listened to me. Don't let my sparring with WD or Cacti confuse you.;)

You going to post your boys letter to Silver or should I?

There are threads for this fight let's stay on topic.

Please stay on point and post East/West issues on one of the pertinent threads.

Approved.........

#BREAKING: Judge approves @AmericanAir merger w/ @USAirways.