cactiboss

Just proof of the outright theft and douchebaggery of the east pilots who brought 1600 furloughs to the us/Awa merge and undercut west pay and benefits.

DCA A321 FO

God bless that furlough, I got back in, and retired, from the military.

How many ex-wives are you paying again? You seem strapped 4 cash.

crzipilot

So that wouldn't be a windfall, which EVERY pilot on the West side would have a capt seat available to them, prior to f/o's with no break in service, hadn't been furloughed etc etc etc?

So every west pilot hired post 9/11 deserved to have a capt seat before a guy with 20+ yrs?

Gotcha, Ok.

Hear that APA? that's what's coming at ya....

crzipilot

So by the nic being the starting point your saying every west pilot should be classified as a capt? You bring no f/os. Into the SLI? Even those hired in the 03-05 time frame?

VenetianFryCook

This was broken down on an internal board, and whomever originally posted those numbers, they are wildly inaccurate. Not every pre-merger West pilot is senior enough to hold Group 2 Captain on the East, period - I checked. Many of them are. But to say that is only half the story.

Put it another way. If you take the number of the most junior 767 captain on the east, subtract the total number of 767 captains flying, you come up with a number (it's about 900) of people who *could* hold 767 captain but don't. Here's the thing - for every one of them, that is a choice! Some are 330 captains. Some are on the little bus because they don't want to fly international. Some are based in DCA because they live there. Some don't want to sit reserve. etc etc etc

So yes, were the Nicolau list in full effect, a fairly substantial portion (but not nearly all) of the pre-merger AWA pilots would be senior to the most junior A320 captain in an East domicile. However, a few other things would have to happen. First, seniority would have to be resolved. Second, there would have to be an opening. (No bump, no flush.) Third, a person would have to want the position. Many PHX-based pilots might prefer to stay based closer to home if they live out West. Some might prefer the right seat of the A330 to a junior left seat on the small bus. There are so many reasons for bidding what people bid that it is nearly impossible to speculate.

That said, the sooner the seniority issue is resolved, the better. Personally, I can't wait for the day that we have ONE seniority list for everyone at the new American.

And yes, getting rid of USAPA is a wonderful thing. This is an organization that filters EVERY decision they make (including what color to paint the men's room walls) through the question of how does it affect the seniority fight. These guys have been screwing over 80% of the pilot group to fight for the interests of 20% since Day One, and they've been empowered because too many fail to look beyond the rhetoric and see the facts.

Wiskey Driver

What I am saying is that it is what it is now. The whole thing was balanced when issued and the east sought to disrupt that balance. Now things are completely out of whack but this is a direct result of the actions the east took. The east now wants to cry foul but really they brought all of this on themselves by not honoring our agreements.

This is what happens when you seek to deceive others its called karma.

WD at AWA

Night Hawk 6

It will be very entertaining to listen to you east vs. west blowhards when you face the folks at APA. The coming food fight will be just another example of how pilots continue to be their own worst enemies, failing again to use the opportunity to put the past behind them and focus on forging a new dynamic that could, and should, change the pilot profession for the good. Nope, the infighting will simply intensify while management laughs all the way to the bank. Hope I am wrong.

crzipilot

Your probably right.......ha. Why would it change if 50 yrs or more ?!?

justjack

Albert Einstein might argue that pilots are insane.

kingairip

I didn't quote you. If I did you would have seen these " ". I paraphrased you. And I was accurate.

The government will never allow a legacy airline to strike anyway. And, it's been that way for years.

OK. We'll hold our breath for that. Of course, your history of prognostication is not the best. Here are a few for the record:

No. The DOJ was interested in just US Airways and American.

Much of this one was just wrong, but the bolded part is laughable. The Justice Department's goal from the outset was to delay and obstruct. They had no intention of going to court with AA/US...and when they do go to court, their "batting average" is not good.

No. The politicians were largely in favor of the merger. They listened to the thousands of employees and other interested parties that wanted the deal done. The average consumer couldn't have cared less if the merger happened or not. Despite the fact that:

So wrong. But, that's fine, because we're all wrong at one point or another. It's one thing to just be wrong. The thing with you is...you came over to a thread that (according to you) didn't affect you one way or the other and stuck your finger in the eye of a bunch of good people who just got the rug pulled out from under them while they were trying to support their families. That's pretty small.