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Old 01-26-2014, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Ignoring an agreement like usapa did? I very much doubt they would present the Nic., the point is they "could" if they so choose or any other list because of "case law" created by non other than the east pilots. Go read the aol update, it wasn't written in a "vacuum", lots of things happening behind the scenes. Oh you miss 2 out 3 east cp's replaced by american pilots with clt to follow soon?
AA Chief Pilot from JFK replaces PHL Chief Pilots. DCA AA Chief Pilot takes over the entire base. No action on current largest base CLT. I don't see that as a total flush, just synergies of business.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:24 AM
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AA Chief Pilot from JFK replaces PHL Chief Pilots. DCA AA Chief Pilot takes over the entire base. No action on current largest base CLT. I don't see that as a total flush, just synergies of business.
Bruce is staying in CLT, not sure about the ACPs.
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Old 01-26-2014, 03:35 AM
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"As our pilot group ages, the effects of Age 60 pilots on International trips increases. For your information we are including some data below you may find useful. As of the March bid month there will be 861 "age 60" East pilots, 128 of whom will retire during the next 12 bid months, and 188 "age 60" West pilots, 30 of whom will retire during the next 12 bid months. These numbers only include active pilots and do not include those on LTD, military leave, personal leaves or management pilots."

I can certainly see why the APA would take over and force the Nic despite Judge Silver's ruling. They certainly wouldn't want those guys retiring in the next 5few years in the slots above them, they would want guys that would be above them longer.
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Old 01-26-2014, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
No you didn't abandon the Nic., that is why you weren't convicted, read her order, the mou was neutral the Nic is still in play.
"Therefore, the question is whether USAPA had a legitimate union purpose for that abandonment." Judge Silver


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
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Don Addington, et al, )
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Plaintiffs, ) JUDGMENT IN A CIVIL CASE
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v. ) CV 13-0471-PHX-ROS
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US Airline Pilots Association, et al, )
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Defendants, )
)

Jury Verdict. This action came before the Court for a trial by jury. The issues
have been tried and the jury has rendered its verdict.

XX Decision by Court. This action came for consideration before the Court. The
issues have been considered and a decision has been rendered.

IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of
January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of
Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor
of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III. This action are hereby terminated.

January 10, 2014 BRIAN D. KARTH
Date DCE/Clerk of Court
. s/ Ruth E. Williams
By Ruth E. Williams
Deputy Clerk
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Old 01-26-2014, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle View Post
"Therefore, the question is whether USAPA had a legitimate union purpose for that abandonment." Judge Silver


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
))
Don Addington, et al, )
)
Plaintiffs, ) JUDGMENT IN A CIVIL CASE
)
v. ) CV 13-0471-PHX-ROS
)
US Airline Pilots Association, et al, )
)
Defendants, )
)

Jury Verdict. This action came before the Court for a trial by jury. The issues
have been tried and the jury has rendered its verdict.

XX Decision by Court. This action came for consideration before the Court. The
issues have been considered and a decision has been rendered.

IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of
January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of
Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor
of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III. This action are hereby terminated.

January 10, 2014 BRIAN D. KARTH
Date DCE/Clerk of Court
. s/ Ruth E. Williams
By Ruth E. Williams
Deputy Clerk
Wait. Where's the part where she hates Usapa and her feelings about global warming?
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Old 01-26-2014, 09:12 AM
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Wait. Where's the part where she hates Usapa and her feelings about global warming?
Why does your future union (apa) disagree with your interpretation of her ruling? Why does Ed James agree with the facts as presented in Leonidas update?
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Why does your future union (apa) disagree with your interpretation of her ruling? Why does Ed James agree with the facts as presented in Leonidas update?

There you go... no need to donate anymore money to Ferggie and Koontz. The APA is gonna give you the Nic.
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Old 01-26-2014, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss View Post
Why does your future union (apa) disagree with your interpretation of her ruling? Why does Ed James agree with the facts as presented in Leonidas update?
cactiboss, please cite the quote/article you are indirectly referencing. Aside from saying it's not their issue, APA has not made any official statements about Nicolau.

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Old 01-26-2014, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by flybywire44 View Post
cactiboss, please cite the quote/article you are indirectly referencing. Aside from saying it's not their issue, APA has not made any official statements about Nicolau.

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I dont know flybywire but you might own him an apology. I did not see him say anything about the Nic award but he did say that APA agrees with the court and that is in the APA update.

APA Public News
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Petition for Single-Carrier Status


posted on January 16, 2014 16:49
Petition for Single-Carrier Status

Your APA leadership has received several inquiries from members regarding our filing of a petition for single-carrier status with the National Mediation Board (NMB) earlier this week. Some members have also read the update that the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) issued yesterday, which characterized the filing as "premature" and asserted that a single-carrier filing would be timely only after an integrated seniority list is completed.
To be clear, APA's filing complies with the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) mutually agreed to by American Airlines, US Airways, APA and USAPA. The MOU stipulates the following:
APA shall file a single carrier petition with the NMB as soon as practicable after the Effective Date, when APA determines that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition but in no event later than four months after the Effective Date.
The term "Effective Date" refers to the date of the merger between American Airlines and US Airways, which was Dec. 9, 2013.
Consistent with that provision of the MOU and based on information American Airlines filed with the NMB last week, APA determined that the facts support the legal requirements for the filing of a petition. The completion of an integrated seniority list is not a mandatory pre-condition for a single-carrier finding by the NMB. Actually, in the vast majority of significant airline mergers, the NMB has found a single carrier before the completion of seniority integration.
The USAPA update also asserted that "the McCaskill-Bond Amendment contemplates the continued independent representation of each pre-merger bargaining unit throughout the process of seniority integration." This statement suggests that USAPA would continue to serve in its current capacity even after the NMB certifies a single bargaining representative. However, as Judge Silver notes in her Jan. 10 decision in the Addington case, "when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration."
The APA Seniority Integration Committee will continue to pursue the negotiation of a seniority integration protocol with USAPA and American Airlines, as required by the MOU. This protocol will establish the rules of engagement for APA and USAPA going forward.
APA will provide updates as appropriate during what will likely be a lengthy and complex seniority integration process.

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Originally Posted by flybywire44 View Post
cactiboss, please cite the quote/article you are indirectly referencing. Aside from saying it's not their issue, APA has not made any official statements about Nicolau.

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What WD said.
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