Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1571589)

We get it. The former LAS and PHX crews do 25% of their flying on CLT, PHL, DCA routes. We totally get it.

Originally Posted by 70Espada (Post 1571587)

You didn't hear? The west reps quit today. Evidently they were being used as token window dressings with no real intention of allowing them any real input. Very disapointed, unfortunately not surprised.

Originally Posted by 70Espada (Post 1571591)

I think he might have been comparing the fact that TWA was failing to the fact US was about to liquidate. :D

Originally Posted by 70Espada (Post 1571590)

Wow, aren't you a piece of work. Let me guess, furloughed at the time of our merger?

Originally Posted by 70Espada (Post 1571472)

.... they want me below the new hires that were hired at OUR airline long after I was. ....

Originally Posted by crzipilot (Post 1571349)

I think where the APA might be gun shy about going after credited time for LOS on furlough, might be looking at the East list. If they get credited time for their furloughees within the SLI, then I would imagine what is good for the goose is good for the gander? Wouldn't they have to agree to accepting credit for time served on furlough for the East guys too?

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1571599)

Its a horror movie.

Originally Posted by 70Espada (Post 1571591)

I think he might have been comparing the fact that TWA was failing to the fact US was about to liquidate. :D

Originally Posted by 70Espada (Post 1571607)

Actually i'm in my thirties. It's a comedy, you're just too far out of touch with reality to know it. In the end, i still win;)

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1571586)

I agree the APA will pull out all stops and won't give one thought to any law suit that might happen as a result. The TWA/ALPA 13+ year fight is perfect proof that APA has plenty of skill at this game.

I have long expected that the end result will be like UAL/CAL with large weighting for the APA wide bodies.

Under the new MOU we no longer have "third listers". We have two lists at USAir and I am happy to argue relative position all the way up and down. Most if not all of the so called third listers should be senior to the junior West guys, and only our newest hires in the last year should be mixed in with the junior guys on the West and APA.

But what do I know. I'm just along for the ride and enjoying every new bid that comes out as we wait. :D

Originally Posted by Mink (Post 1571344)

Haha. Interesting question, and a semi-hot topic on the APA web board because of implications with LOS for furloughed pilots, and whether or not APA will choose to support the junior pilots (furloughed, recalled, deferred, whatever) by pushing for LOS or not.

BTW: LOS = Length of Service, i.e., credit for time served on furlough.

Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1571374)

I thought length of service was giving furloughed guys credit for time they had spent on property, not time being on furlough status.

The example would be a guy with 6 years on property but is currently furloughed being given credit for the 6 years he had been active versus a 3 year active pilot at the other merger partner.

In some SLIs the furloughed pilots are placed below active pilots, in others the time on active service is taken into consideration. It all depends on the circumstances and the way the arbitrator looks at the facts.