Originally Posted by R57 relay

You're entitled to you opinion, but you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Seaslap8

It is not an opinion, it is merely an observation...a fact of life that you can reckon with as you deem appropriate:

The East agreed to binding arbitration...then did not honor it's word.

Originally Posted by fosters

Can anyone boil this down for a new hire at Airways hired after the Dec merger?

Where do we get slotted in? Are we going to get screwed? Fences? Should we be applying at DAL/UAL (ie is getting stapled a possibility)? Will all the APA new hires come ahead of us (important as I read they are hiring 500 this year)? Are they going to operate the airline as a separate entity forever? Are the top guys on the East going to sell everyone else down the river (serious question)?

I know we are on the bottom NOW, but are we going to stay on the bottom until/if they combine? That would suck.

It would seem the most fair way would be to combine everyone on the 3rd list at Airways and the post-merger hires at AA as DOH. That one is super easy. Then slot in everyone else (AA, AW, US) by % seniority BUT I would included those furloughed. If you were the top guy you're still the top guy. If you're 50% of the list you're still 50%, just a much bigger list. Certainly don't put all active above all furloughed, certainly not fair. Of course, you could do DOH with a weighted slant toward % as well. Straight DOH would be throwing the AWA completely under the bus, backing up, and then driving over them again. Another way to do it might be to slot in by a weighted amount for years remaining. IE a guy with 1 year remaining would be senior to a guy with 5 years left.

If you go off the Nic, then the AWA pilots would be slotted in with current new hires on the East as well from my understanding, in a way getting a taste of their own medicine, but not sure if that is possible or not (certainly not fair to the west guys).

I don't have a dog in the flight, just an outsider's-ish perspective. This is a toughie, but it would be an interesting case to decide and participate in.

One thing I am SURE of though is how all this "union" talk is really a bunch of bull, it's really about "me me me". Goes for all unions, not just pilots.

Originally Posted by flybywire44

New hire cohorts hired after the merger announcement date are Conditional Notice Pilots. Historically, new hire CN pilots are granted DOH status behind any pilots with pre-merger Length of Service. I.e. leave of absence, and involuntary/voluntary furloughs.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle

Blah, blah, blah. Take it to court.