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03-03-2014, 05:32 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Yes, it seems I'm a glutton for punishment sometimes. 
I keep thinking I can shake some type of ethics, logic, sense or coherency in some of these flip-flop revisionist Usapians claims and rationalizations to help bring them back among the rest of us humans, but its obvious I'd have a better chance of curing cancer.
Some here will cling madly to all that is USAPA until USAPA itself falls on them, which then of course, someone ELSE will have to be blamed.
When USAPA finally dims for eternity, I wonder who that will be ?
I keep thinking I can shake some type of ethics, logic, sense or coherency in some of these flip-flop revisionist Usapians claims and rationalizations to help bring them back among the rest of us humans, but its obvious I'd have a better chance of curing cancer. Some here will cling madly to all that is USAPA until USAPA itself falls on them, which then of course, someone ELSE will have to be blamed.
When USAPA finally dims for eternity, I wonder who that will be ?
03-03-2014, 06:32 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
You know what flyboy? I don't make broad characterizations about AA pilots or the APA over the TWA deal, or the Eagle flow through. I don't that much about it, and it's so far gone there is little chance that I could get an unbiased view. I have general feelings, but keep them to myself except that I don't want the APA overstepping with MB. You should really do the same and you have shown that you don't know what you are talking about.
Is that a term of endearment ?
I think not.
Yes, you've said all this before. Apparently, unless it is a AA flow-thru issue, I am unqualified to comment on anything else, even USAPA's direct attack on AA pilots........and please spare me more twisted nonsensical Usapian philosophy that it isn't, because this latest act (of which more will come, no doubt) is not only about gaining leverage in the SLI with AA pilots to more solidly promote their DOH-based desires, but also about maintaining their chokehold on the West.
03-03-2014, 06:40 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
"Flyboy" ?
Is that a term of endearment ?
I think not.
Yes, you've said all this before. Apparently, unless it is a AA flow-thru issue, I am unqualified to comment on anything else, even USAPA's direct attack on AA pilots........and please spare me more twisted nonsensical Usapian philosophy that it isn't, because this latest act (of which more will come, no doubt) is not only about gaining leverage in the SLI with AA pilots to more solidly promote their DOH-based desires, but also about maintaining their chokehold on the West.
Is that a term of endearment ?
I think not.
Yes, you've said all this before. Apparently, unless it is a AA flow-thru issue, I am unqualified to comment on anything else, even USAPA's direct attack on AA pilots........and please spare me more twisted nonsensical Usapian philosophy that it isn't, because this latest act (of which more will come, no doubt) is not only about gaining leverage in the SLI with AA pilots to more solidly promote their DOH-based desires, but also about maintaining their chokehold on the West.
03-03-2014, 08:10 AM
#144
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Okay, drama queen, exactly what is USAPA's "attack" on AA pilots?
LOL !!!
You mean like forgetting USAPA agreed to the process presently underway and claiming you'll get "TWA'ed" if is allowed to continue ?
Answer : USAPA is persuing this tack because they want maximum leverage in the SLI against AA pilots to obtain an ISL based on the "principles" in their Constitution which seeks to promote a result that is in accordance with DOH and concurrently, if they remain relevant throughout the SLI process, it is THEY that can control the West and essentially muzzle them (as they already have REPEATEDLY in the past). Although USAPA hasn't made a formal proposal on an ISL as that process hasn't begun, many Usapains here have picked the UAL/CAL model out of all others as, if applied, has the potential to water down the AA list more then the East list due to the persuit of LOS/Longevity reductions. It's all about maximum leverage and USAPA will desire to throw as many ingredients into the mix to maximize the potential to get an ISL that is as per their Constitution.
The MOU process on the other hand makes no reference AT ALL to DOH or LOS/longevity, instead using McCaskill-Bond provisions of neutral arbitration to decide based on "fair and equitable" and "pre-merger career expectations". ALL parties should have no problem with this except the one entity that has hijacked previous processes they agreed to and now this one for their own benefit. USAPA couldn't care less about AA pilots and they CERTAINLY doesn't give a damn about the West, so they shouldn't represent ANYONE. APA on the other hand has issues as well, but the PROCESS (if followed properly) should ensure a "fair and equitable" result that preserves all pilots "pre-merger career expectations".
But, as stated before this doesn't jibe with the planet USAPA's manifesto and thus............once again..............the weapon of obstructionism is brandished. McCaskill-Bond lives, but USAPA really doesn't want McCaskill-Bond, they want US-APA as in "US before APA". I know you'll say you don't understand this and I haven't answered your question, but it's as plain as I can make it.
03-03-2014, 08:52 AM
#145
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
"Drama queen" ?
LOL !!!
You mean like forgetting USAPA agreed to the process presently underway and claiming you'll get "TWA'ed" if is allowed to continue ?
Answer : USAPA is persuing this tack because they want maximum leverage in the SLI against AA pilots to obtain an ISL based on the "principles" in their Constitution which seeks to promote a result that is in accordance with DOH and concurrently, if they remain relevant throughout the SLI process, it is THEY that can control the West and essentially muzzle them (as they already have REPEATEDLY in the past). Although USAPA hasn't made a formal proposal on an ISL as that process hasn't begun, many Usapains here have picked the UAL/CAL model out of all others as, if applied, has the potential to water down the AA list more then the East list due to the persuit of LOS/Longevity reductions. It's all about maximum leverage and USAPA will desire to throw as many ingredients into the mix to maximize the potential to get an ISL that is as per their Constitution.
The MOU process on the other hand makes no reference AT ALL to DOH or LOS/longevity, instead using McCaskill-Bond provisions of neutral arbitration to decide based on "fair and equitable" and "pre-merger career expectations". ALL parties should have no problem with this except the one entity that has hijacked previous processes they agreed to and now this one for their own benefit. USAPA couldn't care less about AA pilots and they CERTAINLY doesn't give a damn about the West, so they shouldn't represent ANYONE. APA on the other hand has issues as well, but the PROCESS (if followed properly) should ensure a "fair and equitable" result that preserves all pilots "pre-merger career expectations".
But, as stated before this doesn't jibe with the planet USAPA's manifesto and thus............once again..............the weapon of obstructionism is brandished. McCaskill-Bond lives, but USAPA really doesn't want McCaskill-Bond, they want US-APA as in "US before APA". I know you'll say you don't understand this and I haven't answered your question, but it's as plain as I can make it.
LOL !!!
You mean like forgetting USAPA agreed to the process presently underway and claiming you'll get "TWA'ed" if is allowed to continue ?
Answer : USAPA is persuing this tack because they want maximum leverage in the SLI against AA pilots to obtain an ISL based on the "principles" in their Constitution which seeks to promote a result that is in accordance with DOH and concurrently, if they remain relevant throughout the SLI process, it is THEY that can control the West and essentially muzzle them (as they already have REPEATEDLY in the past). Although USAPA hasn't made a formal proposal on an ISL as that process hasn't begun, many Usapains here have picked the UAL/CAL model out of all others as, if applied, has the potential to water down the AA list more then the East list due to the persuit of LOS/Longevity reductions. It's all about maximum leverage and USAPA will desire to throw as many ingredients into the mix to maximize the potential to get an ISL that is as per their Constitution.
The MOU process on the other hand makes no reference AT ALL to DOH or LOS/longevity, instead using McCaskill-Bond provisions of neutral arbitration to decide based on "fair and equitable" and "pre-merger career expectations". ALL parties should have no problem with this except the one entity that has hijacked previous processes they agreed to and now this one for their own benefit. USAPA couldn't care less about AA pilots and they CERTAINLY doesn't give a damn about the West, so they shouldn't represent ANYONE. APA on the other hand has issues as well, but the PROCESS (if followed properly) should ensure a "fair and equitable" result that preserves all pilots "pre-merger career expectations".
But, as stated before this doesn't jibe with the planet USAPA's manifesto and thus............once again..............the weapon of obstructionism is brandished. McCaskill-Bond lives, but USAPA really doesn't want McCaskill-Bond, they want US-APA as in "US before APA". I know you'll say you don't understand this and I haven't answered your question, but it's as plain as I can make it.
03-03-2014, 11:45 AM
#146
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Originally Posted by GrapeNuts
Effected vs affected...
Honest mistake- for a pilot.
Honest mistake- for a pilot.
03-03-2014, 12:16 PM
#147
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Oh, so the truth comes out. The APA wants to do this so they can mute USAPA's claims to the arbitration panel. Got it.
Try a straight line this time though, instead of your usual circles.
03-03-2014, 05:21 PM
#148
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
You know what flyboy? I don't make broad characterizations about AA pilots or the APA over the TWA deal, or the Eagle flow through. I don't that much about it, and it's so far gone there is little chance that I could get an unbiased view. I have general feelings, but keep them to myself except that I don't want the APA overstepping with MB. You should really do the same and you have shown that you don't know what you are talking about.
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