Three day red eye
07-21-2014, 01:39 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by ATRCA
I wrote our negotiating committee about this injustice and the answer was that they are "attempting to get calendar day min pay language"
In my humble opinion we should be compensated extra for flying the back side of the clock...not less.
In my humble opinion we should be compensated extra for flying the back side of the clock...not less.
07-22-2014, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ATRCA
I wrote our negotiating committee about this injustice and the answer was that they are "attempting to get calendar day min pay language"
Company Labor Relations Lawyer/Negotiator: "So you are at work, not home, you are not on a day off, but your not going to get paid Ok. We are going to be gracious enough to give per diem and, wait for it cause it's a biggy........let you have a hotel."
Pilot Negotiator (Untrained in negotiations other than a weekend crash course being facilitated by other untrained inexperienced pilot negotiatior)......"Sounds good."
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07-22-2014, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by drinksonme
The regional I came from had this..........since 2002!!!! Wow, who negotiated/negotiates these contracts for the pilots.
Company Labor Relations Lawyer/Negotiator: "So you are at work, not home, you are not on a day off, but your not going to get paid Ok. We are going to be gracious enough to give per diem and, wait for it cause it's a biggy........let you have a hotel."
Pilot Negotiator (Untrained in negotiations other than a weekend crash course being facilitated by other untrained inexperienced pilot negotiatior)......"Sounds good."
Company Labor Relations Lawyer/Negotiator: "So you are at work, not home, you are not on a day off, but your not going to get paid Ok. We are going to be gracious enough to give per diem and, wait for it cause it's a biggy........let you have a hotel."
Pilot Negotiator (Untrained in negotiations other than a weekend crash course being facilitated by other untrained inexperienced pilot negotiatior)......"Sounds good."
Pilots have absolutley no business negotiating labor contracts. Regardless if its ALPO or an in house union. We need to let the attorneys and professional negotiators do the talking.
07-22-2014, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Not quite there yet at DAL but will be shortly.
In the BK era pay on these type of 3 days went to 10.5 hours at DAL because we went to a duty period minimum and they have 2 duty periods.
In contract 2012 they mostly went to 13.5 hours because we improved to a 4.5 average daily guarantee (ADG).
Starting in November these trips will pay 15:45 at DAL because we improved it again to a 5:15 ADG.
Scoop
In the BK era pay on these type of 3 days went to 10.5 hours at DAL because we went to a duty period minimum and they have 2 duty periods.
In contract 2012 they mostly went to 13.5 hours because we improved to a 4.5 average daily guarantee (ADG).
Starting in November these trips will pay 15:45 at DAL because we improved it again to a 5:15 ADG.
Scoop
JCBA negotiations are going on, I hope they are fighting to get us on par with our peers
07-22-2014, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bassslayer
Pilots have absolutley no business negotiating labor contracts. Regardless if its ALPO or an in house union. We need to let the attorneys and professional negotiators do the talking.
Shhh...don't tell the pilot negotiators that, you will hurt their ego. When I brought this up at a meeting, having pilots negotiate and not professional agents, I was advise we do have LAWYERS on staff. With a retainer in the $200,000 range. When you look up who the company uses, they usually have LAW FIRMS on retainer in the MILLIONS. So junior associates and PILOTS representing the union are probably not going to fair well against a TEAM including partners, associates, financial expects, expect analysts, expert negotiators, legal assistants, investigators, field researchers, hell even interns....the list goes on and on. Its like Poland (the pilots) on horseback with swords, fighting the Nazi invasion (the company and it's lawyer and financial resources) and their tanks, heavy guns, airplanes and so on. It's a winless battle.
07-22-2014, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
^^^^^^^^ APA/ USAPA, this is what we need.
JCBA negotiations are going on, I hope they are fighting to get us on par with our peers
JCBA negotiations are going on, I hope they are fighting to get us on par with our peers
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