Both Sides Agree To Private Mediation
07-30-2014 | 03:49 PM
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Well that's nice, makes me feel quite a bit better now. At least we are seeing movement in the right direction. I can see both sides here, I have flown with guys who explicitly said had AWA merged the list like was supposed to happen they would've been completely screwed out of the left seat all together, with just a couple more years left to retire. I support those guys, they will be retired soon, the AWA guys have 20+ years to be a CA...
I understand why USAPA is dragging their feet but also at some point they need to have a come to Jesus moment.
I understand why USAPA is dragging their feet but also at some point they need to have a come to Jesus moment.
Also, in spite of what USAPA has been telling you, AWA isn't full of 20 or 30 year old FOs. Most are pushing 50 now.
07-30-2014 | 06:12 PM
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The majority of the pilots you're referring to would have been mathematically unable to upgrade had a "merger" with AWA not occurred regardless. The fact that they got hired late in life is no reason to punish another work group. The alternative is a seniority list based 100% on age so "everybody gets a turn" but airlines are not socialist organizations.
Also, in spite of what USAPA has been telling you, AWA isn't full of 20 or 30 year old FOs. Most are pushing 50 now.
Also, in spite of what USAPA has been telling you, AWA isn't full of 20 or 30 year old FOs. Most are pushing 50 now.
The guy I mentioned above was hired in his late 30's like the majority of my new hire class not too long ago and he finally upgraded in his early 60's. The East is very different than the West in terms of demographics. I wouldn't consider "late 30's" late in life, but it certainly is all a matter of perspective.
07-30-2014 | 07:01 PM
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What he is trying to imply to you, is that without the West saving the East, those guys would have never had the chance to upgrade because US would have been gone. So the fact that the West pilots saved the East, they should never upgrade....
07-30-2014 | 08:14 PM
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But...considering there was zero attrition for 5 years when the retirement age changed, how many new hires did the East get? How many did the West get? Pretty significant disproportion, right?
And now the East is furious AA will do to them what the East has been trying to do to the West. What nerve those AA pilots have!
07-31-2014 | 03:34 AM
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That's not what I was implying at all.
But...considering there was zero attrition for 5 years when the retirement age changed, how many new hires did the East get? How many did the West get? Pretty significant disproportion, right?
And now the East is furious AA will do to them what the East has been trying to do to the West. What nerve those AA pilots have!
But...considering there was zero attrition for 5 years when the retirement age changed, how many new hires did the East get? How many did the West get? Pretty significant disproportion, right?
And now the East is furious AA will do to them what the East has been trying to do to the West. What nerve those AA pilots have!
07-31-2014 | 08:25 AM
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