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Originally Posted by oncloud (Post 1725008)

As stand alone Carriers, EVERYTHING a Pilot gets is based on his "relative seniority" within the company.
Weekends off, Christmas vacations, getting off of reserve, upgrading to Captain...the list goes on.
Slotting someone in as you say is trying to give relief for a stagnant career at the Original US Airways and your back to the same thing as DOH.

Y'all remember when United and US Airways were going to merge? United had 2 year upgraded Captains on their United Shuttle Ops...that would have been even uglier than this merger.

Ask the US Airway guys how their career was going before the merger.

In defense of the East gents they should of had fences for their international AND widebody flying for say 10-15 years.

I too am experiencing stagnation..probably be an FO for 25-30 years due to 2 mergers/acquisitions/buyouts....so I can definitely empathize with them!...but I/you also have to keep it real

You are missing the point. Yes, US Air was stagnate for years, but we were now at a point where our attrition was outrunning our stagnation. Everyone was about to move rapidly up the list from here on out, just look at the movement on the east even though we have about 50 fewer aircraft than 2005. The Nicolau would have shifted that to the west, accelerating relatively new hire pilots while delaying movement of those that had been stagnate for almost 20 years already!

I say take what you have the day of the merger, run it out with the fleet and list on a stovepipe basis until everyone has retired, then put the list back together so that the most people as possible hit certain gateways for the rest of their careers.

As far as UA goes, it's funny that back then they didn't want the term DOH uttered, but it was kind of important with CO.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1724850)

It's done. Move on.

Seems like I've heard this somewhere else, before ... many years ago. :cool:

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Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1725042)

Seems like I've heard this somewhere else, before ... many years ago. :cool:

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You heard wrong. The US/AW mess was never done until the MOU because the condition for moving on never met-a JCBA.

Next.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1725054)

You heard wrong. The US/AW mess was never done until the MOU because the condition for moving on never met-a JCBA.

Next.

The condition for moving on from binding arbitration was met when the arbitrator rendered his decision.

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Originally Posted by oncloud (Post 1725008)

You forget that the east had the top 10% of the Nicolau all to themselves and a 5 year wide body fence. Nicolau decided that the furloughed usairways guys had no reasonable expectation of returning to usairways given the companies position at the time of merger. That is why furloughed east pilots went to the bottom, the large numbers of east pilots quitting and going to other airlines including awa is proof positive The furloughed east pilots themselves had no expectations
P.S. The beasties refuse to admit that the 2005 merger is the reason we both exist today, for some reason the believe their success is independent of the 2005 merger.

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Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1725069)

The condition for moving on from binding arbitration was met when the arbitrator rendered his decision.

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No they weren't!

[QUOTE=cactiboss;1725093 Nicolau decided that the furloughed usairways guys had no reasonable expectation of returning to usairways given the companies position at the time of merger.[/QUOTE]
Something he could not know with facts on hand.

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Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1725116)

Something he could not know with facts on hand.

Those were the facts in 2005 as testified to by experts and backed by public filings. Everything that happened after the 2005 merger is because of the merger not in spite of it as you like to believe.

Awa 1q 2005

America West Reports First Quarter Results 20.04.2005 | Nachricht | finanzen.net

Usairways 1q 2005
A Tough Quarter for US Airways (washingtonpost.com)

Facts, something easties don't believe in.

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Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1725171)

I read both articles. It backs up what I read in the SEC filings and comments from the arbitration.

2005 US Airways was off to a bad start before the reverse acquisition. A $611 million loss and the need for $250 million from outside investors.

For the year, the airline's loss was $611 million

US Airways plans to emerge from its current bankruptcy proceedings by June 30. The airline recently obtained more than $1 billion in pay and benefit cuts from its workers. It also needs about $250 million from outside investors for exit financing

757 really? needs to check the facts before he posts his propaganda. He's got to know that people have access to the truth by clicking on it. He certainly is not credible.

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Originally Posted by Frisco727 (Post 1725289)

That and they use the facts of 2008 to back their claims, ignoring that we were one company for a full 3 years when the financial meltdown hit.