You can get the Nic by googling it. Or send me a PM if you can't find it. Pretty interesting read. And has DOB's which our current seniority list doesn't have.

What ever happened to you, Relay? I use to enjoy our reasonable discussions but you've just become like all the other extremists, except you wrap yourself in a thin veil of, "well, I don't always agree with USAPA". It doesn't give you the legitimacy you'd like to believe it does.

On the Nic, the junior guy on the East that was never furloughed was hired in July 1988. Never furloughed. 17 years of continuous service. Slotted next a West pilot hired in April 2005. The West pilot was still in groundschool, hadn't even flown an aircraft for the company...

When you guys voted over 90% for the MOU, and it's terms, with the intention of suing to claim it was illegal a lot of sympathy went out the window. That was no different than what you guys had been complaining about for years.

I went back and read the tone of that post. It's harsh, but just finished a 14 mile run and hacking it out on my phone. Sorry.

It's not meant to be harsh, but a heads up. What does nullity mean to you? If you have a separate list, a separate merger committee, but no Nic, what fleet goes with it? A certain segment of your list had the expectation of widebody flying, but when, how many?

A possible solution would be to shift a number of widebodies from the east side of the ledger yo the west. How many and any number will be too many for most east guys and not enough for west.

If you don't get the Nic and are separate, your bottom guys have almost 10 years. You guys argued very effectively for Nic to look at the time of the merger. How would that work now?

Have guys asked these questions of the ones that got you here?

If you read what I wrote I merely stated that if you are 50% on the NB list you would be still there after the sli. This is not about wide bodies or fences etc.

I was simply responding to this post:

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Originally Posted by Cactusone
The NB process will be relative seniority not slotting. If you're 50 percentile you should be close to that after the SLI.


Tho I did notice you failed to address the issue of relative position and the hire dates America West v legacy American that will result.

These beasties are a laugh a minute, half truths and distortions. It's been 9 freakin years since the us/awa merge. Now think about that, think about how long it historically took to become a captain at awa? 7 years or less, I personally upgraded to 757 captain right at 7 years. So of course very awa pilot should be able to hold a group 2 captain, what the beasties don't tell you is they have 29% more bidding positions today than they had in 2007 while the west lost 20%. This resulted in furloughs and downgrades west and massive hiring east. Remember Bradford's goal of delaying a contract indefinitely? Well there was a reason for that wasn't there? Btw, the east are union busters pure and simple, some of you are offended by the "scab" word used to describe them but you shouldn't be, they busted a union with the purpose of not getting a contract while undercutting the wests pay and benefits, what do you call people that do that? I know what they are just fine.

Are you saying "IF" the west gets a seat, they can't argue for the usairways pilots to be placed in the Nicolau order and then integrated into the AA list? Mind you, usairways/awa merger closed September 27th 2005, you think the arbitrators might look at that?

That makes me want to throw up. While I have no dog in that fight and want it to just be over with, that seems wrong on so many levels.

And you know what they had in common??? They were both the last man on their seniority lists... The last man. Says everything about the viability of US Airways. 17 years gets you furloughed- them are bragging rights exclusive to the east pilots. You may think it is abhorrent, but that's just reality for a dead airline. I see this differently, I guess. That 17 year pilot was weeks away from unemployment, but thanks to Parker and the APA he actually has a decent future now for his remaining years. That 17 year guy should be the most thankful towards Parker and the APA- his alternative in May 2005 was the unemployment line.