I have an exercise for someone here--I wonder if someone could go through the past threads on this and pull the arguments being made, both the pro and cons on each side and see how many times we could pull verbatim statements by each side, on each of these pro and con positions...I think that would be an interesting exercise to see how many times these exact same arguments have been made and disregarded by each side...and ever better, how many times have either side actually said "Y'know, I never looked at it from that perspective--you are right"..If I had the time I would take a look at that--just for my own amusement...but I have a beach volleyball game with hot chicks in bikinis to go to...

You are right except events have transpired that change the landscape. Hence a new discussion.

No contract - no list.

Agreed to by all.

There ya go.

True, but I have Mr. Douglas Parker backing the opinion of Mr. Bloch,that I share, you don't. A lot of folks put a lot of money behind Parker's words!

The difference in jobs between pilots and dispatchers had nothing to do with the state of the two airlines.

Since we see the same arbitrators names over and over, I assume it's a small world for them and they know all about the Nic. What they think of it, I wouldn't know. The crew of the Asiana flight at SFO was part of our small world, do you hold up the work as an example to be followed?

Will they be deciding our SLI over east tactics or the facts before them at that time? The MOU, the PA with it's status quo of 3 lists, your failed lawsuits...

The Nic isn't dead. It may be used. I give it small odds, but my jaw wouldn't hit the floor if it is.

I'll take the "you are right" part. Zero. We are pilots you know, how often do you hear that?;)

This thread is kinda like an electronic liberty tie, only cheaper, not as gaudy, and easier to ignore.

Aren't the east tactics "facts" before them? Will the Nic also not be a "fact" before them if the west gets a seat? As far as the Asiana pilots, very bad analogy, anyone that has flown for an Asian carrier will tell you.

The only east tactic that is relevant is that we followed the TA. USAPA attempted to negotiate a different list for section 22, but failed. Hence no DOH list or the Nic will be presented by them, just the status quo.

I think the Asiana analogy is a great one. They both led to disaster.

Well I see Nic "order" being used for usairways pilots, won't be called Nic anymore though so I guess u may be right. That s if the west gets a seat of course.

well how about what the apa and west present? Without a doubt the PA says they can present anything if given a seat.
The arbitrator didn't cause the disaster! the east pilots did! bad analogy.