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PurpleTurtle 09-24-2014 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 1733349)
after the tomes written and expounded it still comes down to this: binding arbitration was the agreement.

What it comes down to is DISagreement.

algflyr 09-24-2014 06:45 AM

Found this link on another site. It's a Scab list that lists the scabs from various strikes. There are quite a few America West pilots on it...

http://download.cabledrum.net/wikile...-list-2004.pdf


This clearly shows the names of the America West Scabs. It's PDF and easily searchable. If you search (Ctrl+F) for AFAP, it will show all the pilots that scabbed the Australian carriers in 1989. All America West pilots are notated in the right column. This will be a nice addition to the company Ipad...

I wonder if this will be at the LAX domicile meeting when the APA votes in the PHX applications...

JetMonkey 09-24-2014 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1733404)
What it comes down to is DISagreement.

You weren't here, turtlehead... you don't have a say nor does it matter to your group. It'll be doh for you.

R57 relay 09-24-2014 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by JetMonkey (Post 1733805)
You weren't here, turtlehead... you don't have a say nor does it matter to your group. It'll be doh for you.


Huh? That's confusing.

PurpleTurtle 09-24-2014 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by R57 relay (Post 1733842)
Huh? That's confusing.

He thinks I am a so-called third lister. Some time ago I argued that Third listers should be senior to many of the West pilots that are relatively junior to them... We have third listers that are on widebodies, captains on the 190, and most of them have lines on group II.... but many West pilots are obviously worse off, unable to hold a line on group II, and no wide body. The West was all about "relative position" so it seems consistent that the West should place the so-called third listers in a relative position---there is no third list anyway. Fair is fair. :D

It may have been EagleFly that first accused me of being a third lister. Frankly, ad hominem arguments are evidence of losing, especially when they are basically a retreat from the real facts that matter.... but if he wants to go DOH with me that is fine. :)

"Status Quo". Marty needs to tell his disciples what that means and why it matters.

DCA A321 FO 09-24-2014 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1733869)
He thinks I am a so-called third lister. Some time ago I argued that Third listers should be senior to many of the West pilots that are relatively junior to them... We have third listers that are on widebodies, captains on the 190, and most of them have lines on group II.... but many West pilots are obviously worse off, unable to hold a line on group II, and no wide body. The West was all about "relative position" so it seems consistent that the West should place the so-called third listers in a relative position---there is no third list anyway. Fair is fair. :D

It may have been EagleFly that first accused me of being a third lister. Frankly, ad hominem arguments are evidence of losing, especially when they are basically a retreat from the real facts that matter.... but if he wants to go DOH with me that is fine. :)

"Status Quo". Marty needs to tell his disciples what that means and why it matters.


Well how bright could a jetmonkey be? You might have to cut her some slack.

JetMonkey 09-24-2014 08:46 PM

Ah, so you're not a third lister (yes there is still such), well my bad on that one. Excuse me RU57? didn't know you had to be a smarty pants on this board and know everyone's status.

Yes, relative is relative. However arbitrators don't have to use it entirely for a SLI.. Hope you guys are smart enough to know that. Oh, and guess what... West guys are now holding lines in group II aircraft. How bout that, huh? :)

PurpleTurtle 09-25-2014 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by JetMonkey (Post 1733992)
Ah, so you're not a third lister (yes there is still such), well my bad on that one. Excuse me RU57? didn't know you had to be a smarty pants on this board and know everyone's status.

Yes, relative is relative. However arbitrators don't have to use it entirely for a SLI.. Hope you guys are smart enough to know that. Oh, and guess what... West guys are now holding lines in group II aircraft. How bout that, huh? :)

The "third list" was recognized in the 2005 TA.

R57 relay 09-25-2014 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by JetMonkey (Post 1733992)
Ah, so you're not a third lister (yes there is still such), well my bad on that one. Excuse me RU57? didn't know you had to be a smarty pants on this board and know everyone's status.

Yes, relative is relative. However arbitrators don't have to use it entirely for a SLI.. Hope you guys are smart enough to know that. Oh, and guess what... West guys are now holding lines in group II aircraft. How bout that, huh? :)

Touchy. I couldn't understand your post.

You guys have line holders on group I I A/C? Huh, I figured they kept you all on reserve. :confused:

cactus320 09-25-2014 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by algflyr (Post 1733408)
Found this link on another site. It's a Scab list that lists the scabs from various strikes. There are quite a few America West pilots on it...

http://download.cabledrum.net/wikile...-list-2004.pdf


This clearly shows the names of the America West Scabs. It's PDF and easily searchable. If you search (Ctrl+F) for AFAP, it will show all the pilots that scabbed the Australian carriers in 1989. All America West pilots are notated in the right column. This will be a nice addition to the company Ipad...

I wonder if this will be at the LAX domicile meeting when the APA votes in the PHX applications...

And if you look closely at that list you will see USAPA's very own Communications Chairman. CAL 83


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