I'm a west guy, but I've gotta say this much. The way so many of us so casually threw the scab word around, scab this scab that yada yada yada, and knowing we have actual scabs, what did we think would get thrown back in our faces? It isn't rocket science.

Now it's just a circular web board argument for the most part, until the APA get's it's say in the matter officially. We either get in, or from what it sounds like, if one of us scabbed, east or west, we won't get in.

Sooner or later there was bound to be west movement. Even your reneged of a binding arbitration can only work for so long.

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I personally saw a Great Lakes CA refuse a Freedom A lister long after it had been absolved into Mesa. It was hilarious. And I agree original Freedom guys are "scum".

That was true initially, then in June 2013 USAPA filed a grievance to move the new hire west furloughed pilots up the east list with their west date of hire. So now you have a west pilot on the east list flying 330s and are block holding pilots on the small bus. While their brother and sisters on the west are 100 pilots from the bottom of their list, flying weekends and holidays. They are around 80% on the east list and about 97% on the west list. If we merge the 3 lists on a percentage basis how can they go in front of the west pilots who were initially senior to them? any help with that question? Thanks

While I'm not sure how the merger committees are addressing this, my guess is the pilots will have to make a decision as which list they want to be considered to be a part of. For those West pilots choosing to stay on the East list, it's quite possible they could move ahead of the pilots they were below on the West list. We saw similar movements from furloughed East pilots that were hired by the West. Then when the Nic came out, they shot way up the list above where they were and above many pilots that were once considerably senior to them. If the Nic had been implemented, those positions would have been solidified... It will be different for this SLI, as we will have a JCBA before a SLI, and those positions will become permanent immediately.

They may also take away the AWA DOH and place them at the day they came on the East property. That would move them down the list, but could still be at a higher percentage than they would be if they went back to the West... Just my opinions... But we will probably find out in the not too distant future...

No, what it comes down to is DIShonesty....as in you agree to binding arbitration until you see the results, then you DISagree.

All the rest of this is tortured logic and bogus semantics.

You boiled it down. Turtle soup anybody?

No, you are wrong. East pilots that were hired at America West Airlines were hired before AWA purchased US Airways. The US Airways guys were on the street, furloughed, with applications out at many airlines. A few were fortunate enough to be picked up by AWA in 2004, a year before AWA bought U. These east pilots were street hires, went through the entire training program and placed on the seniority list according to their AWA date of hire.

When the TA was written in 2005 it allowed furloughed pilots from either airline going to the other seniority list. In 2007, as costs were out of control at the new US Airways we could no longer compete in the leisure markets and closed a few bases, LAS being one of them. The furloughed west pilots were given the option of flying in the east system- no training required since we are on the same certificate. These west pilots kept their AWA DOH because USAPA was pushing for DOH system wide.

Now, MDA pilots (like you) and a few third list pilots are hoping for a relative merge but these west guys are kind of a fly in your ointment- because their placement on the east seniority list is preserved through the TA which was agreed to in 2005- an agreement you are saying no longer exists.

As I have said, you have an uphill battle with arbitrators. This is just one example why.

How's you commute to PHX these days? Everybody else treating you well?