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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 1721990)
It would have a good chance of surviving if seniority was a factor when non-reving in the cabin. Since it is going to FCFS, I don't see a FCFS reservation system surviving for the jumpseat and completely eliminating seniority for the jumpseat and cabin.
And "Because that's the way we've AAlways done it!" is not an acceptable answer. |
Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 1721990)
It would have a good chance of surviving if seniority was a factor when non-reving in the cabin. Since it is going to FCFS, I don't see a FCFS reservation system surviving for the jumpseat and completely eliminating seniority for the jumpseat and cabin.
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Originally Posted by Night Hawk 6
(Post 1721875)
September 10 will also be the day they implement the new Non-rev categories to include down grading retirees to a status below active employees. Another screw job for the retirees. Yes, as a twenty year commuter I know all the complaints about commuters being bumped by those who have "all day" to get to their destination, etc. however think of this, you will all be retirees, and it will come sooner than you think. With the advances in our ageing process we will be living longer and thjere is a good chance you may be a retiree for many more years than you were an active employee. While it won't happen now, what they should have done is created a category for commuting TO work, placing this status above D2 and keeping D2 as it has always been, first come first served for active and retired employees. Fire away ye youngsters, your retirement day will be here in a flash.
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 1721990)
It would have a good chance of surviving if seniority was a factor when non-reving in the cabin. Since it is going to FCFS, I don't see a FCFS reservation system surviving for the jumpseat and completely eliminating seniority for the jumpseat and cabin.
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
(Post 1721994)
And "Because that's the way we've AAlways done it!" is not an acceptable answer.
Seniority determines alot of things. I don't commute and will happily take whatever both groups want. IMHO, I think we may be losing something if a flight departs with a 23 year old new hire in the jumpseat while the 30 year widebody Captain watches from the terminal because his smartphone reservation skills were sorely lacking. Especially if he ate the pile of fly covered #### both sides did in the last 20+ years that junior will probably miss riding the front of the bow wave. Just get me a reserved stool at the microbrewery near my layover hotel ;) |
Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 1722119)
So the only acceptable answer is "Because that's the way We've always done it!" If asked why your way is better.
Seniority determines alot of things. I don't commute and will happily take whatever both groups want. IMHO, I think we may be losing something if a flight departs with a 23 year old new hire in the jumpseat while the 30 year widebody Captain watches from the terminal because his smartphone reservation skills were sorely lacking. Especially if he ate the pile of fly covered #### both sides did in the last 20 years that junior will probably miss riding the front of the bow wave. Plus.. I just flew with a CA that kept his "non smart" phone in his sock. Don't worry about the technical aspect of the system. We are not super high tech. The true answer is: our system because it is the best out there. |
Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
(Post 1722119)
So the only acceptable answer is "Because that's the way We've always done it!" If asked why your way is better.
Seniority determines alot of things. I don't commute and will happily take whatever both groups want. IMHO, I think we may be losing something if a flight departs with a 23 year old new hire in the jumpseat while the 30 year widebody Captain watches from the terminal because his smartphone reservation skills were sorely lacking. Especially if he ate the pile of fly covered #### both sides did in the last 20 years that junior will probably miss riding the front of the bow wave. On the other hand, once you have the Primary, you know you're getting on that flight with about 99% certainty. With your way, that 23 year old new hire, could be planning on taking the flight and actually have the jumpseat and the 30 year widebody Captain waltzes up and takes it from him, flashes a smug smile and says "Sorry." Now the 23 year old new hire is scrambling to get work. In my scenario, both flights go out with their original crews because the 30 year widebody Captain has made alternate plans because he knew in advance he wouldn't make that flight. In your scenario, the flight goes out late (depending on when the reserve guy can get there) or cancels due to lack of crew. The 23 year old loses pay because he has to invoke the commuter policy. He also could face disciplinary action because he didn't make it work, all because the 30 year widebody Captain was hired first. It's not a smartphone app to check in, it's an 800 number you call. Also, in my limited 18 months, I've never seen every single flight book up right at midnight 7 days out. It's normally never that hard to reserve a jumpseat. |
Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
(Post 1722128)
Because with our system, it give you the ability to plan ahead. You look at the flights and if the jumpseat is booked, you make alternate plans and take a different flight.
On the other hand, once you have the Primary, you know you're getting on that flight with about 99% certainty. With your way, that 23 year old new hire, could be planning on taking the flight and actually have the jumpseat and the 30 year widebody Captain waltzes up and takes it from him, flashes a smug smile and says "Sorry." Now the 23 year old new hire is scrambling to get work. In my scenario, both flights go out with their original crews because the 30 year widebody Captain has made alternate plans because he knew in advance he wouldn't make that flight. In your scenario, the flight goes out late (depending on when the reserve guy can get there) or cancels due to lack of crew. The 23 year old loses pay because he has to invoke the commuter policy. He also could face disciplinary action because he didn't make it work, all because the 30 year widebody Captain was hired first. It's not a smartphone app to check in, it's an 800 number you call. Also, in my limited 18 months, I've never seen every single flight book up right at midnight 7 days out. It's normally never that hard to reserve a jumpseat. Check PIT flights :) |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1722137)
Check PIT flights :)
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I commute on the same city pair as the #2 guy at Airways. There have been times I've beaten him although that is tough as he is a block holder and I am a reserve. Anyway, the US jumpseat system is great solely because of the planning aspect of it. I have done it the other way for years and the stress is tenfold. This way I know if I book it I'm good to go.
Seniority is not everything and is way over blown in the industry. The 23 year old new hire needs to be able to get to work just as much as the 30 year widebody CA. Probably more so seeing as he's on probation. It's an awesome system too bad we can't book the commuter jumpseats (huge can of worms!!). |
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