Why do we do things this way?
09-08-2014, 01:55 PM
#13
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I just hope we get rid of the one PA we do..having" folks remain seated until the seatbelt sign is turned off ". When commuting I get a chuckle as people are half listening and think we are saying its ok to take their seat belts and start moving around the cabin.
09-08-2014, 02:30 PM
#14
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+1
Originally Posted by aa73
emb,
i've been trying for years to get this pa changed to the fo. No go. Aa is stuck on the ca making this pa because, by god, he or she is way more qualified than the fo to make it. (eye roll please.) the exact verbiage i got from the flight dept when my suggestion made it there read something like this:
"we appreciate your suggestion but feel that the captain has a much better awareness of when to seat the fas and as such, we plan on keeping it this way."
that's what i got back - no joke. To which i responded, "then why not have the ca tell the fo to seat them?" "because the fo has already way too much going on and we don't want the fo to go even more heads down at this point."
great, so let's have the ca go heads down while taxiing! Unreal.
I believe aa is the only airline in the us that got an faa exemption for the ca to be able to make this pa while taxiing. I know, makes zero sense.
The 10,000ft afl chime reflects many of our sa high altitude ops.
There are many more little idiosyncrasies but aa runs a safe cockpit overall.
Keep em coming!
i've been trying for years to get this pa changed to the fo. No go. Aa is stuck on the ca making this pa because, by god, he or she is way more qualified than the fo to make it. (eye roll please.) the exact verbiage i got from the flight dept when my suggestion made it there read something like this:
"we appreciate your suggestion but feel that the captain has a much better awareness of when to seat the fas and as such, we plan on keeping it this way."
that's what i got back - no joke. To which i responded, "then why not have the ca tell the fo to seat them?" "because the fo has already way too much going on and we don't want the fo to go even more heads down at this point."
great, so let's have the ca go heads down while taxiing! Unreal.
I believe aa is the only airline in the us that got an faa exemption for the ca to be able to make this pa while taxiing. I know, makes zero sense.
The 10,000ft afl chime reflects many of our sa high altitude ops.
There are many more little idiosyncrasies but aa runs a safe cockpit overall.
Keep em coming!
7576fo
09-08-2014, 03:22 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by Diesel1030
I just hope we get rid of the one PA we do..having" folks remain seated until the seatbelt sign is turned off ". When commuting I get a chuckle as people are half listening and think we are saying its ok to take their seat belts and start moving around the cabin.
The changes on the Airbus have been minimal, hence why most Bus drivers are getting frustrated since we're doing it 90% the old way with little things interspersed at odd places.
I'm headed to the Big Boeing next month. I understand I'm in for quite a surprise!
09-08-2014, 03:28 PM
#16
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US still using 10,000 is a testament to them not flying to many high elevation airports. Takeoff out of the old UIO airport and you were at 10,000 feet before you even reached 700 AGL. 
Many other airports AA (and DL) fly to in central and south america are also very high elevation.
Most of the other AA stuff I've heard is quite strange- particularly checklist construction and methodology.
Just a deltoid passing through!
Many other airports AA (and DL) fly to in central and south america are also very high elevation. Most of the other AA stuff I've heard is quite strange- particularly checklist construction and methodology.
Just a deltoid passing through!
09-08-2014, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
US still using 10,000 is a testament to them not flying to many high elevation airports. Takeoff out of the old UIO airport and you were at 10,000 feet before you even reached 700 AGL. Many other airports AA (and DL) fly to in central and south america are also very high elevation.
Most of the other AA stuff I've heard is quite strange- particularly checklist construction and methodology.
Just a deltoid passing through!
Many other airports AA (and DL) fly to in central and south america are also very high elevation. Most of the other AA stuff I've heard is quite strange- particularly checklist construction and methodology.
Just a deltoid passing through!
09-08-2014, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
No, but for places like DEN, most guys (everyone I ever flew with) went sterile at around 15,000 on the way in. Common sense.
We have a 250 knot rule on our retract lights on fifi which is tied to acceleration above 250 altitude, not 10,000 AFE. If you forget, she is very obvious in reminding you with the rumble.
09-08-2014, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
US still using 10,000 is a testament to them not flying to many high elevation airports. Takeoff out of the old UIO airport and you were at 10,000 feet before you even reached 700 AGL. Many other airports AA (and DL) fly to in central and south america are also very high elevation.
Most of the other AA stuff I've heard is quite strange- particularly checklist construction and methodology.
Just a deltoid passing through!
Many other airports AA (and DL) fly to in central and south america are also very high elevation. Most of the other AA stuff I've heard is quite strange- particularly checklist construction and methodology.
Just a deltoid passing through!
No, it was a testament to logic. 10,000' msl is the end of sterile cockpit, 250 knot speed and, as you said, the place to retract fifi's lights. Our book always said at least 10 prior to landing on the way down. It now says 10,000 AFE or at least 6 min from landing. It's disjointed. If you took off from Death Valley would you give the chime prior to 10,000 msl? ;-)
Another reason for adopt and go-everybody thinks their way is the best.
09-08-2014, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
It hasn't show up in our revision through RC5, although I understand that RC7 and RC9 will be quite involved.
The changes on the Airbus have been minimal, hence why most Bus drivers are getting frustrated since we're doing it 90% the old way with little things interspersed at odd places.
I'm headed to the Big Boeing next month. I understand I'm in for quite a surprise!
The changes on the Airbus have been minimal, hence why most Bus drivers are getting frustrated since we're doing it 90% the old way with little things interspersed at odd places.
I'm headed to the Big Boeing next month. I understand I'm in for quite a surprise!
In other words, one becomes used to doing things a certain way. You guys are used to YOUR way, and we tend to be used to OUR way. When, all of a sudden, we are forced to completely change how we do and think about things, we tend to rebel and say "This is totally stupid!"
Ya know what? We've adapted. You folks will get used to the things you consider odd from your end.
Btw, I agree that the captain doing the before takeoff PA is just dumb, along with the useless arrival PA we FO's have to make.
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