Industry Leading without Profit Sharing??
 

The company is on the verge of presenting the counter proposal for compensation, and apparently Scott Kirby says he will throw us "industry leading" pay, but no profit sharing.

How can our pay be industry leading without profit sharing. This is complete crap. Scott...keep dreaming you big goon. Give us more per hour pay, yet every year Delta still takes home more with the addition of profit sharing to the bottom line? Show me increased hourly pay and profit sharing and I'll show you industry leading pay.

Also, seems he is more then willing to fall back on the arbitrated JCBA agreement if we cant come to terms according to his remarks at the Morgan Stanley Conference this past week.

And the biggest concern (at least it should be to the bottom 75% of us) is the company's request for scope concessions.

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NO SCOPE RELIEF!! No matter how big the raise!! It won't matter!

The MOU already increased outsourced flying 33% over current levels! Where is the line?

Pilots will sell their children for another $10/hr. It's beyond insane.

Also, look beyond hourly rates. I could care less if our rates are industry leading. I want industry leading QOL.

Give us the original 1998 contract and I would vote yes all day..... The rigs, the vacation, the work rules, the pension, the rates.... The scope...

We could have just shut down the "F"ing negotiating committee 20 years ago and we would all be just fine.

If we don't shut it down now, we will continue to work more and more days a month. Has anyone noticed how many lines have 18+ days?

I hear the "industry leading" pay comes with scope concessions....

What is Delta's scope?

I think at that same conference Kirby discussed how they are taking mostly 321 deliveries because it's getting harder and harder to find a mission that the 319 makes sense to operate on. Scope could come the way of giving up more seats outsourced to republic etc.

Remember the last Kirby proposal sucked. I expect this one to suck also

Can the scope be changed if it goes to arbitration? God I hope not....

Also industry leading pay for less than a year then delta gets their new contract

May I ask, do you work for AA as a pilot?

The 1997 contract would be a large pay cut for me. I'm a 777 FO for American.

I believe it was $134 an hour for 777 FO. It's been awhile and not sure exactly.

Yes, the vacation was awesome Selected an unselected 48 hour prior to Vac start paid drops.

I'm guessing you mean hypothetically.

He's a USAirways guy. I assume he means the US Air (East) 1998 contract. It was parity +1%, and hands-down among the best contracts in the industry -- money + work-rules + scope. The best of all worlds...

I predict we lose scope in return for pay. Way too many guys at both airlines that are in their last ten years that couldn't care less about the guys who have 20+ to go. Hope I'm wrong